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News: Burqa and niqab banned in Switzerland's Ticino
Member Since: 8/30/2012
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Originally posted by YUNGKALIMXEL
The ignorance in this thread  Y'all are ugly and racist idc. |
White women can wear burqas and niqabs.
I don't think clothes which undermine women's identity and reduce them to being invisible human beings to the rest of society should be tolerated, never mind encouraged. People will say that they choose to wear those but that doesn't take into account far more complex dynamics on a societal level : religious pressure (including extremist groups), peer pressure (including family), patriarchal pressure etc.
To those being quick to jump on people against the burqa and niqab, please read the following article :
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress...organizations/
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I recently watched an interesting discussion of the hijab hosted by Maryam Namazie, which gave probably the best justification for the burka ban in France I’ve yet seen. At around 8 mins [JAC: actually 7:55] there is an especially interesting interview with Gita Sahgal, who used to be the head of the Gender Unit at Amnesty International, before being fired by that organisation for criticising its relationship with Islamists such as Moazzam Begg. She explains how Amnesty and numerous other human rights groups have effectively been captured by Islamism, to the extent that they simply refuse to investigate human rights abuses that might upset their new Islamist friends. In particular, this means that the victims of forced veiling can expect no support from Western human rights organisations. Given that nobody is policing forced veiling, and the rape culture that travels in its slipstream, Gita argues that banning the veil is completely justified.
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When you say that this dress is a personal choice, and therefore shouldn’t be banned, ask yourself, “If it truly weren’t required, and there was no opprobrium attached to dressing however one wanted, including wearing skirts that show the legs or blouses that show the arms, would all women in countries like Saudi Arabia really continue to dress this way?” I would argue “no,” because the uniformity of dress reflects not a universality of individual choice, but coercion by coreligionists. The minute those women get by themselves in a private home, they take off the burqas and show off their fancy clothing, which supposedly would drive Muslim men to distraction and rape if they ever saw it.
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Now unlike that woman I'm actually not against the hijab, although I can understand her argument. But please look beyond the simple SJW arguments. As I said, individual dynamics are a very very small aspect of this issue.
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Member Since: 11/12/2009
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Originally posted by J a y
It's just tragic.
The nerve of the majority here who are more than happy to wear dresses, make-up, and whatever else to express themselves as the fairies they are, yet a Muslim woman shouldn't wear her hijab? Remind me why we've allowed gays the freedom of being able to run around the streets screaming yet won't allow a piece of head garment.
I don't know if it's the people that are on here, gays in particular, young people, lack of education... whatever it is, LOGIC has passed you by.
For every right I see someone try to take from someone else, I hope karma ****s you up and stops you from living life how you want.
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are u ok?
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Artemisia
wow
for security reasons you said
totally makes sense as a law you said
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If they banned hooligans and protesters from wearing masks and balaclavas as well, you would scream islamophobia and say that they treat muslims like they were hooligans.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by BreatheGaga
the burqa and niqab weren't even a thing before
Syria during the 70's;
Afghanistan and Iran;
Is it really disrespectful though? |
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
A hijab is fine but wearing a burqa or a niqab, in addition to being a security threat, shows that you are not willing to integrate in a secular society. If you want to continue wearing those, go and practice your faith in some extremist Muslim country like Saudi Arabia. You can't have all the advantages of the West without a little effort.
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everything in this. so simple yet why can't some people understand?
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Originally posted by getback
everything in this. so simple yet why can't some people understand?
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I think many in the West fail to understand the collective dynamics at work among these societies which have led to this situation because these dynamics have kind of disappeared in western societies where individualism has prevailed. That's how you end up with people in the West who think the fight for the right to wear a burqa is on the same side of history as the fight for the right to wear short skirts without being insulted or even for the fight for the right for women to vote. And in my opinion that's a very short-sighted view which becomes even worse when adopted by people who claim to be feminists.
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Horrible. This minority group is treated disgustingly.
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Member Since: 6/24/2011
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Originally posted by BreatheGaga
the burqa and niqab weren't even a thing before
Syria during the 70's;
Afghanistan and Iran;
Is it really disrespectful though? |
Not this myth again. Of course they were common, if you stepped outside the capital cities where only the rich and priveleged lived you'd only see covered women. The revolutions happened for a reason.
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Originally posted by getback
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The disaster of the Islamic Revolution of 1979 in Iran. 
The Pahlavi dynasty was far from ideal in many aspects but what have people and particularly women gained from this change since then ? Not much if you ask me...
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Originally posted by getinthezone
Not this myth again. Of course they were common, if you stepped outside the capital cities where only the rich and priveleged lived you'd only see covered women. The revolutions happened for a reason.
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Democracy isn't only the will of the majority. It's also the protection of the minorities. As shocking as it might be to some, if it takes an authoritarian regime to ensure that the majority doesn't attack the minorities, then it should be supported. Ask people over there whether they preferred the secular authoritarian regime or the islamic 'democracy', you'd be surprised.
And a revolution doesn't always represent the people. It only takes a small fraction of the people for a revolution to occur.
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How can you claim to be a feminist and support niqab and burqa? A reverse warholian experience. 
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Member Since: 4/12/2011
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
Horrible. This minority group is treated disgustingly.
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Why don't you try being Christian in Saudi Arabia?
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Disrespectful.
Yes, the burqa is oppressive but these poor women are going to feel naked without it.
They shouldn't be punished for being oppressed. A more sensible law would be that no child born from now on can wear a burqa.
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
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Xenophobia and opression of minorities in Europe? That's something you don't hear about everyday.
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Originally posted by Kim Kardashian
Disrespectful.
Yes, the burqa is oppressive but these poor women are going to feel naked without it.
They shouldn't be punished for being oppressed. A more sensible law would be that no child born from now on can wear a burqa. |
If they're being oppressed, we should help them to escape that oppression, not encourage them to feel confortable in it.
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Originally posted by cOe
How can you claim to be a feminist and support niqab and burqa? A reverse warholian experience. |
It is disgusting. These people are idiots. The damage they have done in the name of tolerance cannot be underestimated.
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Originally posted by Schhh
Why don't you try being Christian in Saudi Arabia?
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!!! IKR?
Also, I'm not against Islam but why so many gay and liberal people defend that religion with so much passion in here?  I mean, I prefer to live in a secular majority christian country 1000x times more than in a muslim majority one (even so called "moderate")
Christianity gets a free pass for extreme bashing but don't you dare to slam islam because you're looked as racist (?) and islamophobe ( ), that's where free of speech ends. 
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Death at the pro-burqua members here. I'm sure by the same logic I can wear a blackface as a way of self-expression.
When will they realize that enforced religious garments for woman just perpetuates oppression?
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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I understand banning it for public safety. I kind of feel they should be able to wear whatever they want but I definitely don't agree with forcing or encouraging women to wear something that takes away their entire identity.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Burqas and niqabs are clothing items linked to a culture in which women are treated as sub-humans. In which females are basically men's marionettes who cannot even show their faces because women's bodies, even dressed modestly (like men, for instance) are viewed as a green light for rape. There's no place for these symbols of centuries-spanning injustice in the modern, European society. Poor women who want to "express themselves" by wearing the outfits their ancestors, who could have gotten killed for things like premarital sex, wore! 
Xoxo waiting for the apologists to hurl mud at me
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