[Bitchcraft]

Originally posted by Javan

This is a boring discussion. The more interesting question is whether or not men should have to pay child support if they already said they want the pregnancy terminated.

Um? Yes? Just because he didn't want the baby doesn't automatically mean it isn't his responsibility to take care of it.

[Javan]

Originally posted by Retro

Yeah, I don't think it's my (or any other man's) place to put a limit or cut-off point on anyone and their uterus. Sorry, if that like, makes me a baby killer in your view or something, but I think that it's silly for relatively arbitrary cutoffs to exist at all, especially as dictated by anyone who is not the person carrying the hypothetical fetus.

What is the arbitrary cutoff? Can you pinpoint it for me?

[Marvin]

I find it funny how people claim to be pro-life but have no problem hunting and killing animals

Animal lives matter!

[rivers]

Pro-choice.

If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Another woman's decision on her body won't affect you!

Also, I can't stand people who hate welfare and planned parenthood but are pro-life... *cough* Republicans *cough*

[accelgors]

Originally posted by The Unforgiving

Regardless, fetuses are living creatures, made of living cells.

list of things that are also living creatures, made of living cells:

• bacteria
• mosquitoes
• ants
• plants, including the ones you eat
• parasites

so since those are living creatures made of living cells, does that mean killing them is murder too? or are things only living when you like them?

so if your dog has fleas, you shouldn't kill them and just let them be a problem? maybe you should ask them really nicely and they'll go away?

[Almodusa]

Pro-choice.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Rusty

The "man" thing is a stupid argument and secondary to what I'm talking about. The doctor(s) (male or female) that will perform the abortion could easily make a judgement call on whether or not it makes more medical sense to deliver the fetus (once over 25 weeks survival rates are over 50% if I remember correctly). Again, this is talking about late-term termination. The idea this somehow is a massive disservice to the woman carrying the fetus is a weak argument - the procedure for most late-term abortions is as invasive as inducing labor. The idea that these would be arbitrary decisions by physicians is as stupid as your baby killer facetious rhetoric. You can argue your point without trying to make anyone who disagrees with you some pretend bigot.

Trying to support a pre-term fetus costs money, takes resources, and isn't successful often enough to - in my opinion - justify the idea that it should necessarily be kept alive and then forced into an often-miserable world of being a ward of the state - depending on the term. I won't unreasonably claim that a 39-week fetus should be tossed in the trash and left to die. However, that's not what this is about. This is about removing the fetal tissue from the woman's body. What they do after that? I could give a **** in this case because it's not what we're discussing. We can have separate talks about that. But please note that in late-term cases, if the mother doesn't want the obligation of the child, she shouldn't have to have it if the medical professionals choose to try to keep it alive!

[OnikaChrist]

Originally posted by holocene

again

you can get pregnant even with protected sex

Still, you should just have the baby. I don't even understand why adults who are perfectly fine would want to abort their baby. Children are a blessing.

[Javan]

Originally posted by Marvin

I find it funny how people claim to be pro-life but have no problem hunting and killing animals

Animal lives matter!

Do you believe your life shares the same intrinsic value as a hen?

[Changes]

pro-choice, but I'm not comfortable about it.

[Beautiful Liar]

Originally posted by The Unforgiving

It is a child. Pregnancy is not like baking a cake
They're free to choose, but at what cost? I won't justify murder just because the pregnant woman wants to feel free and independent.

Yes, yes, yes! Finally someone who gets it as long as her life isn't in jeopardy give me my baby... That's all really... @ a man who wants to keep it and become a father being punish because she was irresponsible.. Only on ATRL

[Retro]

Originally posted by Javan

What is the arbitrary cutoff? Can you pinpoint it for me?

That's my point though, all attempts at establishing a cutoff after which a woman cannot have the fetal tissue removed from her body are pointless and ignore the point. There shouldn't be a cutoff mandated by other people and particularly not cis men.

[Abyssy]

Originally posted by Javan

Do you believe your life shares the same intrinsic value as a hen?

I do.



xox

[Tylerbv]

Pro-choice. A woman can become pregnant accidentally and it happens all the time.
Plus, forcing a woman who can't afford a child to keep it will ruin both the mother and the child's life. How is that fair?

[rivers]

Originally posted by Javan

Do you believe your life shares the same intrinsic value as a hen?

You ain't slick

[accelgors]

Originally posted by Beautiful Liar

Yes, yes, yes! Finally someone who gets it as long as her life isn't in jeopardy give me my baby... That's all really... @ the man who wants to be a father being punish because she was irresponsible.. Only on ATRL

wait a second.

so the woman has the baby, she deserves to have a baby she doesn't want because she was "irresponsible".

but the father doesn't deserve to suffer? how exactly was the father /not/ irresponsible, if having sex that can get you pregnant is irresponsible? so basically, only women should suffer consequences, ever, and if a man does something that hurts him, then oh well?

do you even read what you're typing? honestly.

[cherylcole]

Originally posted by Minajesty

Pro-choice.

Also, if they're made illegal, that's not going to stop people from getting them, and in much more harmful and dangerous ways, too.

Exactly. Abortion has always existed and will always exist. Criminalizing it just leads to more back ally and coat hanger abortions.

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Javan

Do you believe your life shares the same intrinsic value as a hen?

Not a hen

But they just want to live and provide for their family also

[Jonathan Peter]

Didn't expect this thread to have 11 pages and turn into a bit of a mess

[rivers]

Originally posted by Tylerbv

Pro-choice. A woman can become pregnant accidentally and it happens all the time.
Plus, forcing a woman who can't afford a child to keep it will ruin both the mother and the child's life. How is that fair?

I agree completely. Yet some people think people on welfare are there for handouts. There are so many single mothers who need help.

If you're pro-life ****ing advocate for better sex ed in schools! Abstinence only sex ed doesn't cut it but for some reason these religious people think it's evil to teach kids about condoms and safe sex!