Musicandsoul obviously knows little about vocals.
His musical lexicon is biT underdeveloped.
Don't entertain it.
lol. hilarious. please do not. we are talking about Beyonce and vocals here. me and my bf are literally in fits of laughter.
When you listen to Minnie Riperton, Nat King Cole, Billie Holiday and Nina Simone on a regular we will come back and talk of vocals. Until then I'm going to make this the last time i post here, its embarrassing on this generation to even begin to describe how talented Beyonce is vocally when there are woman that majorly surpassed her 50 years ago. The only artist who will remain in that bracket is Mariah. And there is a ton of female vocalists before Beyonce's name crops up - Whitney, Barbara Streisand, Cher, Celine Dion - just to name a few.. Theres a ton on the lower scale too. But y'all disagree when its blatantly obvious..
lol. hilarious. please do not. we are talking about Beyonce and vocals here. me and my bf are literally in fits of laughter.
When you listen to Minnie Riperton, Nat King Cole, Billie Holiday and Nina Simone on a regular we will come back and talk of vocals. Until then I'm going to make this the last time i post here, its embarrassing on this generation to even begin to describe how talented Beyonce is vocally when there are woman that majorly surpassed her 50 years ago. The only artist who will remain in that bracket is Mariah. And there is a ton of female vocalists before Beyonce's name crops up - Whitney, Barbara Streisand, Cher, Celine Dion - just to name a few.. Theres a ton on the lower scale too. But y'all disagree when its blatantly obvious..
lol. hilarious. please do not. we are talking about Beyonce and vocals here. me and my bf are literally in fits of laughter.
When you listen to Minnie Riperton, Nat King Cole, Billie Holiday and Nina Simone on a regular we will come back and talk of vocals. Until then I'm going to make this the last time i post here, its embarrassing on this generation to even begin to describe how talented Beyonce is vocally when there are woman that majorly surpassed her 50 years ago. The only artist who will remain in that bracket is Mariah. And there is a ton of female vocalists before Beyonce's name crops up - Whitney, Barbara Streisand, Cher, Celine Dion - just to name a few.. Theres a ton on the lower scale too. But y'all disagree when its blatantly obvious..
bored now.
Crying at you just name-dropping. If you really listened to Nina Simone and Billie Holiday, you'd know that they were not vocalists. They were amazing SINGERS, able to interpret pieces of music via sheer musicianship and unmatched feeling. Billie Holiday barely had a voice. Nina Simone's voice was coarse and rough, wasn't technically astounding and certainly wasn't in the echelon of the other voices you've mentioned.
And last time I checked, Nat King Cole was a man. Stop the pretense.
lol. hilarious. please do not. we are talking about Beyonce and vocals here. me and my bf are literally in fits of laughter.
When you listen to Minnie Riperton, Nat King Cole, Billie Holiday and Nina Simone on a regular we will come back and talk of vocals. Until then I'm going to make this the last time i post here, its embarrassing on this generation to even begin to describe how talented Beyonce is vocally when there are woman that majorly surpassed her 50 years ago. The only artist who will remain in that bracket is Mariah. And there is a ton of female vocalists before Beyonce's name crops up - Whitney, Barbara Streisand, Cher, Celine Dion - just to name a few.. Theres a ton on the lower scale too. But y'all disagree when its blatantly obvious..
bored now.
Right! The hive can be so silly when it comes to Bey. They act like she's a competent vocalist..She can barely compare to vocalists like Rihanna and Katy. She's lucky she has her performance abilities and her looks, right. Let's leave this place and let the Hive stay delusional and confused..kay!
Crying at you just name-dropping. If you really listened to Nina Simone and Billie Holiday, you'd know that they were not vocalists. They were amazing SINGERS, able to interpret pieces of music via sheer musicianship and unmatched feeling. Billie Holiday barely had a voice. Nina Simone's voice was coarse and rough, wasn't technically astounding and certainly wasn't in the echelon of the other voices you've mentioned.
And last time I checked, Nat King Cole was a man. Stop the pretense.
It takes a true vocalist to deliver such emotion... Their voices are the music. Please lets not go there any longer.
oh and my bad i added Nat King Cole with the females.. i remember every sunday morning waking up to my dad playing nat king cole, with billie holiday, Nina simone.... I grew up with this music, and much more including opera, jazz, soul, blues, etc. No pretense. I'm not going to allow anyone to question my knowledge of vocals, singers, abilities etc..
Beyonce is compared to Tina Turner ANOTHER very limited vocalist, who is mainly known as an ENTERTAINER more than a VOCALIST. Another grinding, shouting, growling voice.. GET REAL.. The girl can sing - within her range, even sometimes very good.. But beyond that range its out of control, a goddamn ear aching, headache mess of screeching and shouting, grunting and growling. That is not in any shape or form vocal talent. That is struggle..
So please do not come for me like i have no idea what I'm talking about.. You can stay listening to a very pretty well-manufactured product and Ill listen out for the artists.. you know - the ones that actually define music - not destroy it by stealing, singing over demo's and claims they do it all. #fact
It takes a true vocalist to deliver such emotion... Their voices are the music. Please lets not go there any longer.
That doesn't make them vocalists. That makes them interpreters. Try again.
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oh and my bad i added Nat King Cole with the females.. i remember every sunday morning waking up to my dad playing nat king cole, with billie holiday, Nina simone.... I grew up with this music, and much more including opera, jazz, soul, blues, etc. No pretense. I'm not going to allow anyone to question my knowledge of vocals, singers, abilities etc..
What you remember doesn't matter. You've already shown you don't know much.
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Beyonce is compared to Tina Turner ANOTHER very limited vocalist, who is mainly known as an ENTERTAINER more than a VOCALIST. Another grinding, shouting, growling voice.. GET REAL.. The girl can sing - within her range, even sometimes very good.. But beyond that range its out of control, a goddamn ear aching, headache mess of screeching and shouting, grunting and growling. That is not in any shape or form vocal talent. That is struggle..
You clearly reside in some parallel universe if you think that Tina Turner is a limited vocalist. How are you gonna say Tina Turner is a limited vocalist, yet claim Billie Holliday wasn't? LMAO like I said, you're a pretender.
And Nina Simone screeched, grunted, growled, and screamed also. Her coarse, gritty sound was one of the reasons people loved her. But of course, you don't actually listen to her.
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So please do not come for me like i have no idea what I'm talking about.. You can stay listening to a very pretty well-manufactured product and Ill listen out for the artists.. you know - the ones that actually define music - not destroy it by stealing, singing over demo's and claims they do it all. #fact
lol. hilarious. please do not. we are talking about Beyonce and vocals here. me and my bf are literally in fits of laughter.
When you listen to Minnie Riperton, Nat King Cole, Billie Holiday and Nina Simone on a regular we will come back and talk of vocals. Until then I'm going to make this the last time i post here, its embarrassing on this generation to even begin to describe how talented Beyonce is vocally when there are woman that majorly surpassed her 50 years ago. The only artist who will remain in that bracket is Mariah. And there is a ton of female vocalists before Beyonce's name crops up - Whitney, Barbara Streisand, Cher, Celine Dion - just to name a few.. Theres a ton on the lower scale too. But y'all disagree when its blatantly obvious..
bored now.
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Originally posted by MusicandSoul
It takes a true vocalist to deliver such emotion... Their voices are the music. Please lets not go there any longer.
oh and my bad i added Nat King Cole with the females.. i remember every sunday morning waking up to my dad playing nat king cole, with billie holiday, Nina simone.... I grew up with this music, and much more including opera, jazz, soul, blues, etc. No pretense. I'm not going to allow anyone to question my knowledge of vocals, singers, abilities etc..
Beyonce is compared to Tina Turner ANOTHER very limited vocalist, who is mainly known as an ENTERTAINER more than a VOCALIST. Another grinding, shouting, growling voice.. GET REAL.. The girl can sing - within her range, even sometimes very good.. But beyond that range its out of control, a goddamn ear aching, headache mess of screeching and shouting, grunting and growling. That is not in any shape or form vocal talent. That is struggle..
So please do not come for me like i have no idea what I'm talking about.. You can stay listening to a very pretty well-manufactured product and Ill listen out for the artists.. you know - the ones that actually define music - not destroy it by stealing, singing over demo's and claims they do it all. #fact
"every kind of vocal techniques that she's done is nothing new, i mean they've been used in music since... forever" - I don't think that's what I meant. Of course some of her vocal techniques and feats aren't exactly original and can be seen in many forms of classical music, what I'm talking about is the way that Beyonce APPLIES some of those technical feats in HER music. It's possible for one to possess technical prowess without musicality see (Jessie J). I I think the creativity comes from her ability use her technical skills (vocal feats) to express certain ideas/themes in the song..her vocal stylings aren't just to be "self-indulgent" but to effectively create sensations of a variety of moods..
Perfect EXAMPLES: Beyonce uses "opera" like head notes a C6, in a "trap/rap" song in the backing vocals of Flawless to give this "earthereal" feeling during the speech part.
Or the fact that she can switch from a breathy falsetto tones in the beginning of No Angle to a reinforced "thick" head voice, or using an extremely difficult technique which involves transitioning seamlessly from head to chest voice with no BREAKS to create feelings of longing and desperation (the theme of the song).
Using her technical prowess, creatively, to bring different elements to the song..These sorts of sophisticated stylings aren't seen much popular music. Off-hand: The ability to improv the way Beyonce does, takes a GREAT amount of creativity: The vocalizations themselves may not be original, but the way Bey --uses them to serve the music in the vocal arrangemts is quite inventive, IMO.
i think she overuses those vocal techniques rather than rationally use it to improve her musical artistry. you see her overusing vibrato and melisma in every song that she sings, especially for an R&B singer. the overabundant of vibrato lines make her songs sound souless and sometimes they don't match the theme and lyrics of the song.
"Perfect EXAMPLES: Beyonce uses "opera" like head notes a C6, in a "trap/rap" song in the backing vocals of Flawless to give this "earthereal" feeling during the speech part. " this is a misunderstanding, adding head tone lines as the accompany in a pop song doesn't mean that song has opera influence, and it actually belong to the arrangement which was processed in studio. here is also some of songs that have similiar element if you want to add to library https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6co4_mbook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut03H8-_c6A
btw, the reason why beyonce can switch from head register to chest easily without break is because she has a natural voice of a lyrico coloratura which gives her the agility to do that, that's the normal characteristic of that type of voice
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That is like saying that the contrast of dark and light in painting is not something to be creative with.
It's one element of a broader set of tools you can use, but you can still be creative with it. There may be only one way to get louder or quieter, but using that technique in certain situations is where you can be creative.
no, they're not alike. in painting or visual , every chromaticity between dark and light can create a certain particularity of a picture, if you painted 10 different landscape pictures with 10 different tones of red, every of them would present as an individual picture and could be for sale as specific picture.
in the world of sound, people don't listen to every decibel of a sound dynamic like the way they enjoy a shade of color of a picture, what human enjoys in the sound is movement of sound from fast to slow, from loud to quite, from low to high....and with dynamic of a sound, the only thing we can do is controling it's volume and it requires the practice not creativity