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  Discussion: Are some artists below others and is it fair?
 
	
	
		
 
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					Originally posted by  mariska
					 
				 
				I changed Adeles singing voice to a 4. 
And yes. Gaga is the only one who's directed any of her music videos... 
			
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 Lies. Britney directed her Do Something video and if I'm not mistaken Bey has also directed some of her videos  
 
  
 
 
  
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				Oh and   @ Directing one of Gaga's talents when she's been giving us some of the worst videos of the last decade lately    
			
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 Right?   
Also    @ gaga having a higher dancing score than britney. Gaga could never, cant and will never be a better dancer than britney. Britney dances better in the circus video than gaga ever could.  
 
  
 
 
  
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					Originally posted by  HumanitySector
					 
				 
				Anyways, is Ciara stan even allowed to participate in this kind of discussion? 
			
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 I am, actually. I stan for someone with more talent than half of the girls being discussed. Mad?
 
And if I may ask, who do you stan for?  
 
  
 
 
  
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				Right?   
Also    @ gaga having a higher dancing score than britney. Gaga could never, cant and will never be a better dancer than britney. Britney dances better in the circus video than gaga ever could.  
			
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 Umm.. no. I gave  Old  Britney a 5 in dancing.  Current Britney is just    ...
 
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				Lies. Britney directed her Do Something video and if I'm not mistaken Bey has also directed some of her videos 
			
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 Give me receipts and I'll edit accordingly.  
 
  
 
 
  
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				more talent than half of the girls being discussed. 
			
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 this is not true    
 
  
 
 
  
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				really  
  
			
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 The ordering of writing credits doesn't imply who contributed the most. It can, if the writers/producers choose to arrange it that way for whatever reason, but it can also be random. 
 
Anyway, I think most of the general public is quite ignorant about ALL these ladies tbh. Bey and Gaga still don't get as much respect as they should. I BET just about everyone thinks Adele is a better vocalist than Beyonce. And I'm pretty sure no one knows Britney can play piano and compose on it. 
 
  
 
 
  
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				this is not true    
			
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 This coming from a Rhianna fan. Who's she less talented than?  
 
  
 
 
  
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					Originally posted by  HumanitySector
					 
				 
				Talent wise I think it goes like this: 
 
1. Beyonce, Adele 
2. Gaga 
3. Rihanna 
4. Katy 
5. Nicki, Ke$ha, (old Britney I guess) 
6. Britney 
 
 
Sorry Britney fans, but you have to be real. 
			
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 You don't have to do this anymore, a lot of people already have your posts as sigs   .  
 
  
 
 
  
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				The ordering of writing credits doesn't imply who contributed the most. It can, if the writers/producers choose to arrange it that way for whatever reason, but it can also be random. 
 
Anyway, I think most of the general public is quite ignorant about ALL these ladies tbh. Bey and Gaga still don't get as much respect as they should. I BET just about everyone thinks Adele is a better vocalist than Beyonce. And I'm pretty sure no one knows Britney can play piano and compose on it. 
			
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 This. I never even knew Ke$ha played an instrument like all her stans are saying. And the only time I saw Katy play an instrument was the guitar at that one award show  
 
  
 
 
  
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					Originally posted by  Marvin
					 
				 
				This coming from a Rihanna fan. Who's she less talented than? 
			
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 Gaga and Bey for starters..   
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				This. I never even knew Ke$ha played an instrument like all her stans are saying. And the only time I saw Katy play an instrument was the guitar at that one award show 
			
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 There are other videos of her playing the guitar. She's okay-ish.  
 
  
 
 
  
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				Lies. Britney directed her Do Something video and if I'm not mistaken Bey has also directed some of her videos 
			
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 Britney deserves some credit in the music video field as well if we're gonna do that.
 
She came with the concepts of several of her videos including BOMT, Toxic, Womanizer and most recently Criminal.  
 
  
 
 
  
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 2. 	"Here I Go Again" (featuring J-Status) 	Rogers, Sturken, J-Status, Robyn Fenty  
7. 	"Willing to Wait"   	Rogers, Sturken, Nathan Watts, Henry Redd, Cotton Greene, June Deniece Williams, Fenty 
8. 	"Music of the Sun"   	Diane Warren, Rogers, Sturken, Fenty 
12. 	"Now I Know"   	Rogers, Sturken, Fenty 
15. 	"Hypnotized"   	Rogers, Sturken, Fenty 
 
2. 	"Kisses Don't Lie"   	Evan Rogers, Carl Sturken, Robyn Fenty 	 
11. 	"A Girl like Me"   	Rogers, Sturken, Fenty 
 
1. 	"Mad House"   	Makeba Riddick, Will Kennard, Saul Milton, Robyn Fenty 
2. 	"Wait Your Turn"   	James Fauntleroy II, Mikkel Eriksen, Tor Hermansen, Kennard, Milton, Takura Tendayi, Fenty 
3. 	"Hard" (featuring Young Jeezy) 	Terius Nash, Christopher Stewart, Fenty, Jay Jenkins 
5. 	"Rockstar 101" (featuring Slash) 	Nash, Stewart, Fenty 
7. 	"Fire Bomb"   	Fauntleroy II, Brian Kennedy, Fenty 
8. 	"Rude Boy"   	Eriksen, Hermansen, Ester Dean, Riddick, Rob Swire, Fenty 
10. 	"G4L"   	Kennard, Milton, Fauntleroy II, Fenty 
11. 	"Te Amo"   	Eriksen, Hermansen, Fauntleroy II, Fenty 
13. 	"The Last Song"   	Fauntleroy II, Kennedy, Ben Harrison, Fenty 
15. 	"Hole in My Head" (featuring Justin Timberlake) 	Fauntleroy II, Fenty, Timberlake 
 
1. 	"You Da One"   	Ester Dean, Robyn Fenty, Lukasz Gottwald, John Hill, Henry Walter 
5. 	"Cockiness (Love It)"   	Candice Pillay, D. Loernathy, Shondrae Crawford, Fenty 
6. 	"Birthday Cake"   	Terius Nash, Marcos Palacios, Earnest Clark, Robyn Fenty 
10. 	"Watch n' Learn"   	Priscilla Renea, Chauncey Hollis, Fenty, Alja Jackson 
12. 	"Red Lipstick"   	Nash,Fenty, James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich, Will Kennard, Saul Milton 
13. 	"Do Ya Thang"   	Nash, Fenty 
14. 	"Fool in Love"   	Dean, Gottwald, Walter,Fenty 
 
MOTS - Rihanna – vocals, composer 
AGLM - Rihanna – lead vocals, composer 
GGGB - Rihanna – vocals 
RR - Rihanna – vocals,composer, executive producer, art direction, design 
Loud - Rihanna – vocals, art direction, creative director, design, executive producer 
TTT - Robyn Rihanna Fenty – Vocals, composer, art direction, creative director, design, executive producer 
 
I think little by little Rihanna's been adding much more input to her work. 
 
  
 
 
  
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					Originally posted by  Marvin
					 
				 
				I am, actually. I stan for someone with more talent than half of the girls being discussed. Mad? 
 
And if I may ask, who do you stan for? 
			
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 The Beatles and Nancy Sinatra. Yes. But since they are not used on ATRL, I stan for Rihanna, I like her. I LOVE Beyonce but her fans are.... unbareable so I don't stan for her.  
 
  
 
 
  
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					Originally posted by  CaptainMusic
					 
				 
				Britney deserves some credit in the music video field as well if we're gonna do that. 
 
She came with the concepts of several of her videos including BOMT, Toxic, Womanizer and most recently Criminal. 
			
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 Idgaf about concepts. Having an idea for something doesn't make you talented. Conveying those ideas through a music video and directing it yourself = talent. Or directing a Thanksgiving Special which receives great views and great reception.  
 
  
 
 
  
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					Originally posted by  mariska
					 
				 
				Idgaf about concepts. Having an idea for something doesn't make you talented. Conveying those ideas through a music video and directing it yourself = talent. Or directing a Thanksgiving Special which receives great views and great reception. 
			
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 Well, there you have the Do Somethin' example    
 
  
 
 
  
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				Idgaf about concepts. Having an idea for something doesn't make you talented. Conveying those ideas through a music video and directing it yourself = talent. Or directing a Thanksgiving Special which receives great views and great reception. 
			
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 Truly impressive    
 
  
 
 
  
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					Originally posted by  YoYo
					 
				 
				You don't have to do this anymore, a lot of people already have your posts as sigs   .  
			
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 I was basing it on vocal talent, and if you don't agree with it, make your own list.  
 
  
 
 
  
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				Give me receipts and I'll edit accordingly. 
			
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				The music video for "Do Somethin'" was filmed in December 2004 in Los Angeles, California. It was co-directed by Spears and Billie Woodruff
			
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