[Drais.]

Originally posted by BadBitch

What 17 year old breaks away from the cutsy, innocent look without there labels concern. To be a "bad bitch" and get away with it? Miley tried it and failed. Demi tried and failed. So have many others with the fake innocent persona. Rihanna is nobody's puppets. Her label had no choice but to go with it.

You act as if Rihanna went from cutesy innocent on her first couple to albums to what she is now. Rihanna started off as a Caribbean Beyoncé as you stated and while I'm thinking about it she was far from cute and innocent when she first started. She debuted in her bra and shaking her ass while rolling around in sand.

It's strange because her persona is supposedly real yet she is a completely different personality from when she first put out her first album while all the other pop girls have pretty much remained the same from album 1 to their current ones.

[Vin]

Originally posted by Chickenchiki

Britney doens't have all the control of her career for example. As you said before she isn't manufactured in the sense she doesn't give a **** about her image and she acts as human being in front of the spotlight and actually she's very creative. Let's not forget she made the concept of her most iconic videos aka BOMT and Toxic. If she was really a puppet she wouldn't be as succesful and iconic as she is.

Of course. I think that goes without saying. Someone who is 100% controlled,
will eventually fade when the studio is done with them. Britney has been
here for over a decade, and she's a puppet? C'mon now, people.

...Vin

[Nicole]

Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash

Now do you think Rihanna is smart enough to involve lawyers for a credit?

Idk but her lawyers might be smart enough to get her a credit for which she gets paid and of which they get a cut.

[Nicole]

Originally posted by Chickenchiki

Britney doens't have all the control of her career for example. As you said before she isn't manufactured in the sense she doesn't give a **** about her image and she acts as human being in front of the spotlight and actually she's very creative. Let's not forget she made the concept of her most iconic videos aka BOMT and Toxic. If she was really a puppet she wouldn't be as succesful and iconic as she is.

I do agree that Britney has a good eye for what pop music fans want and who to work with to make that come to fruition.

[BadBitch]

Originally posted by Hi.Def

You act as if Rihanna went from cutesy innocent on her first couple to albums to what she is now. Rihanna started off as a Caribbean Beyoncé as you stated and while I'm thinking about it she was far from cute and innocent when she first started. She debuted in her bra and shaking her ass while rolling around in sand.

It's strange because her persona is supposedly real yet she is a completely different personality from when she first put out her first album while all the other pop girls have pretty much remained the same from album 1 to their current ones.

Rihanna's case is different than most Popstar out right now. Katy was 25/26 when she was signed. Gaga was 21. You can't compare their circumstance to hers. She was 15 when she got signed and had no knowledge on how the music business worked. While Katy had been an on and off again label artist & Gaga work at clubs and been signed to Def Jam before. Like I said before Yes, Rihanna was doing sexy but in a very settle & undertone way. She was the perfect "teenage girl" to the public & her label. The one girls in highschoolls across America wanted to be like. Rihanna already stated her persona in her first 2 albums were because of the label. Theres no denying that. But The whole "bad bitch" persona, cutting the quote & quote "golden locks" every girl wanted have & darkening/edging up her image is all her. the Rihanna right now is all her.

[Drais.]

Originally posted by BadBitch

Rihanna's case is different than most Popstar out right now. Katy was 25/26 when she was signed. Gaga was 21. You can't compare their circumstance to hers. She was 15 when she got signed and had no knowledge on how the music business worked. While Katy had been an on and off again label artist & Gaga work at clubs and been signed to Def Jam before. Like I said before Yes, Rihanna was doing sexy but in a very settle & undertone way. She was the perfect "teenage girl" to the public & her label. The one girls in highschoolls across America wanted to be like. Rihanna already stated her persona in her first 2 albums were because of the label. Theres no denying that. But The whole "bad bitch" persona, cutting the quote & quote "golden locks" every girl wanted have & darkening/edging up her image is all her. the Rihanna right now is all her.

Okay so we can expect her current persona to stick with her for all of her future albums?

[BadBitch]

Originally posted by Hi.Def

Okay so we can expect her current persona to stick with her for all of her future albums?

To an extent yes, but of course people grow and change. Not to mentions she's only 23. You can't expect her to be like this at 28 or 30.

[GreasyBruce]

Sticking with the same image for your entire career =/= not being a puppet

People grow and change, in fact I'd argue an evolution in image is a sign of being in charge of your own career and applying your own ideas. Having the same image for your entire career would seem like a label trying to recreate success over and over again with the same formula.

[GeezusHaberdash]

Originally posted by Nicole

Idk but her lawyers might be smart enough to get her a credit for which she gets paid and of which they get a cut.

Good point.

[GreasyBruce]

Originally posted by Bdawg

but the thing is, it was BRITNEYS idea about the school girl skirt in the catholic school for her music video. Not her record labels.

This is true, if you listen to the album without all the sexy videos in mind it actually sounds like music for young children. There is nothing sexual about the lyrics anywhere. Once Jive saw what happened with ...Baby One More Time they likely changed their whole marketing plan. And to those who would say "it was Jive's plan all along to make it look like Britney is in charge of her career", that's ********, Britney never steals credit for things she doesn't come up with and several of her iconic moments she has admitted didn't come from her (such as "It's Britney, bitch" which she stated was the producer's idea).

[GreasyBruce]

Originally posted by BadBitch

LOUD had nothing to do with her Urban Fanbase neither did Man Down. It was released because of the fans. She could careless of it flopped. That logic would apply to every Popstar releasing urban esque music. If it was true.

Rihanna went to Kids/Teen Choice awards, Teen Choice all those other award shows marked at kids. Rihanna was market as a little mini Beyonce. Pon De Replay was marketed & teens along with the majority of her two album. Yes Rihanna did sexy but it was in a very settle & undertone way. She wasn't singing about S&M at the time. Miley tried and failed when she released CTB over doing the sexy apparling with Faux Lesbian Kiss & showing her bra in her videos. Rihanna never did any of those things to that extreme before GGGB.

I love Rihanna but she performed "Rude Boy" at the Kids Choice Awards.

[Bdawg]

Originally posted by GreasyBruce

This is true, if you listen to the album without all the sexy videos in mind it actually sounds like music for young children. There is nothing sexual about the lyrics anywhere. Once Jive saw what happened with ...Baby One More Time they likely changed their whole marketing plan. And to those who would say "it was Jive's plan all along to make it look like Britney is in charge of her career", that's ********, Britney never steals credit for things she doesn't come up with and several of her iconic moments she has admitted didn't come from her (such as "It's Britney, bitch" which she stated was the producer's idea).

yes!!!

[MusicTalker]

How is each manufactured?

GaGa Her label probably initially promotes some of her crazy ideas to her, but otherwise I don't see anything manufactured about BTW. TF was a significantly manufactured effort, at least in my opinion, but she has definitely gotten herself more creative control.
Beyoncé She, like GaGa, seems to have gotten more & more control as time as passed. Well, she kind of runs her own show, so there's no disputing her creative input.
Rihanna Her lack of songwriting is a negative, but her image seems authentic at this point. She doesn't try to appeal to any specific demographic, at least not obviously (especially not children ) . The LOUD era seems a bit forced due to her label obviously wanting better sales with an upbeat album, but I don't think they dictated the entire project. She seemed genuinely excited about the album. One reason I like her is that she's very human.
Katy Her image is by far the most manufactured aspect. Her personality seems somewhat fake to me (PERSONAL OPINION), & the premise of the TD era (candyland, being a 15 year old again) is trying to appeal to the teenage demographic.
Ke$ha The party image is very forced at times.

[Ghandi]

Justin Bieber
Christina Aguilera
The infamous Boybands

It is truly ironic and more than worthy to see people on a popular music message board arguing the degrees on their faves on being manufactured They've got you all fooled.

Can't see the forest for the trees.

[IWasHere]

Originally posted by Vin

Of course. I think that goes without saying. Someone who is 100% controlled,
will eventually fade when the studio is done with them. Britney has been
here for over a decade, and she's a puppet? C'mon now, people.

...Vin

Yes. She makes the same kind of music as she did 10 yrs ago. If that isnt being a puppet I dont kno what is.

[IWasHere]

Originally posted by MusicTalker

GaGa Her label probably initially promotes some of her crazy ideas to her, but otherwise I don't see anything manufactured about BTW. TF was a significantly manufactured effort, at least in my opinion, but she has definitely gotten herself more creative control.
Beyoncé She, like GaGa, seems to have gotten more & more control as time as passed. Well, she kind of runs her own show, so there's no disputing her creative input.
Rihanna Her lack of songwriting is a negative, but her image seems authentic at this point. She doesn't try to appeal to any specific demographic, at least not obviously (especially not children ) . The LOUD era seems a bit forced due to her label obviously wanting better sales with an upbeat album, but I don't think they dictated the entire project. She seemed genuinely excited about the album. One reason I like her is that she's very human.
Katy Her image is by far the most manufactured aspect. Her personality seems somewhat fake to me (PERSONAL OPINION), & the premise of the TD era (candyland, being a 15 year old again) is trying to appeal to the teenage demographic.
Ke$ha The party image is very forced at times.

But what is Rihanna real image???

She changes it every time she releases a new album.

[Moonage Daydream]

Originally posted by Vin

Of course. I think that goes without saying. Someone who is 100% controlled,
will eventually fade when the studio is done with them. Britney has been
here for over a decade, and she's a puppet? C'mon now, people.

...Vin

She's been a reliable cash cow for over a decade. What record exec would be stupid enough to get rid of her?

[Deemy]

Originally posted by Hi.Def

You act as if Rihanna went from cutesy innocent on her first couple to albums to what she is now. Rihanna started off as a Caribbean Beyoncé as you stated and while I'm thinking about it she was far from cute and innocent when she first started. She debuted in her bra and shaking her ass while rolling around in sand.

It's strange because her persona is supposedly real yet she is a completely different personality from when she first put out her first album while all the other pop girls have pretty much remained the same from album 1 to their current ones.

Her first album came out at 17, she's now 23. Of course nobody remains the same when they were a teenager to when they are adults. Its the same issue Britney had to deal with.

Not A girl, Not Yet A Woman?

[Playboy]

This thread is an utter mess...... a bunch of kids stanning and defending their faves without an ounce of common sense or logic.

[RihRihGirrrl]

ALL pop stars are manufactured because they arein't just musicians or artist, they are a brand! It's the reason they are able to branch off into other projects like Fashion and selling perfumes. It's the reason their lables invest in heavy promotion because the power in their name needs to be able to sustain the value of their brand. When you are a successful product that sells, other companies come to YOU to sell their products. No artist who is NOT manufactured can become an established brand and NO artist who is NOT a brand will compete for top notch endorsements. So Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga, Katy are all manufactured and if they want that loooonnnnng bread they will continue to be manufactured! This is what being a mainstream artist means, you've got to appeal to the masses and anyone who does't bank on their mainstream success is a weak manufactured artist. So forget who's the most or least manufactured artist because they all are...it's about what manufactured artists are ELITE!