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Chart Listings: iTunes Music Downloads (June 15-22, 2010)
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
You read my mind. Te Amo is one of the weakest tracks on RR. I love R101, but sadly the public disagreed. She needs to release Photographs if she wants another big hit.
Rude Boy's digital sales are disappointing for how big it was on radio. But it was big to an extent, 2x platinum is an achievement.
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I almost think she should finish this era and return with better material. The reaction to R101 was not good, but the same can be said about both Russian Roulette and Hard. Both songs were top ten hits, but nevertheless nether lived up to what was expected of them.
Of course to achieve double platinum status is an achievement but not for a song that was number 1, for a number one it is to be expected.
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The problem with this era is that the path chosen for this album was not the path it went down at the end....
Coz Russian Roulette may be one of the best songs released in 2009.... But the united States didnt like it and that left the album in a very difficult situation.... Coz the Dark-Slow-Deep-intense songs are SOOOOOOOO much better than the singles they released instead.
I think she took a HUGE risk and it got as successful as it could get. It wasnt GGGB era... But she did a 180` change and she survived....
Anyway..... The album sold 915.000 copies in the US and 4.000.000 singles. And 3.000.000 albums WW and 10.000.000 singles... Any other artist aside from gaga, BEP, Beyonce or Pink may consider this as a huge achievement at this moment.
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Disturbia must be 4x platinum by now.
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66. Paramore - The Only Exception 
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Originally posted by rihannar0x8
Disturbia must be 4x platinum by now.
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I'd imagine it is too, if not then it is very close.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
That's why the lead single is important. That's why artists never release ballads as first single.
Rihanna took an unusual step and released "Russian Roulette" as first single, dark ballad, when everybody expected a pop-club banger after a pop masterpiece album like GGGB. I'm sure 100% that Rihanna would maintain her Digital power if she released "Rude Boy" as first single. The hype around the first single was in the sky, and everybody was disappointed when they heard Russian Roulette, and don't even try to deny it. I bet that even you got disappointed.
Hopefully they'll chose carefully the lead single next time, since every lead song from Rihanna's era went #1. (Pon De Replay was #2 but it was #1 Digitally. It was blocked by We Belong Together.)
Honestly, I think she should've released Photographs / Fire Bomb instead of R101 / Te Amo and closed this era.
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Actually I loved "Russian Roulette" and I thought it was going to be #1 when I first heard it. I don't think it got the success that it deserved. I don't think the fact the song underperformed was just because the US audience didn't connect with the song, I also believe that some of the things that happened to Rihanna in her personal life last year were a factor. RR was a hit in the UK, and that incident didn't receive half as much coverage here.
I do agree that first singles are normally the best selling singles from albums due to a combination of factors - they are often the strongest song from the album, and also when the album becomes available for purchase people will often buy the album rather than the single. It's funny that you should mention WBT. That song was huge and it followed a weak first single, thus negating your point.
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Originally posted by Celestial
Actually I loved "Russian Roulette" and I thought it was going to be #1 when I first heard it. I don't think it got the success that it deserved. I don't think the fact the song underperformed was just because the US audience didn't connect with the song, I also believe that some of the things that happened to Rihanna in her personal life last year were a factor. RR was a hit in the UK, and that incident didn't receive half as much coverage here.
I do agree that first singles are normally the best selling singles from albums due to a combination of factors - they are often the strongest song form the album, and also when the album becomes available for purchase people will often buy the album rather than the single. It's funny that you should mention WBT. That song was huge and it followed a weak first single, thus negating your point.
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But that's Mariah Carey. She's a legend, she may not be as successful as she used to be, but she's still one of the most successful artists ever.
Rihanna cannot be compared to Mariah Carey, who has a career length of more than two decades.
Just imagine what would happen if Gaga's lead single was "Teeth" or "Speechless". Yeah, you got what I mean.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
But that's Mariah Carey. She's a legend, she may not be as successful as she used to be, but she's still one of the most successful artists ever.
Rihanna cannot be compared to Mariah Carey, who has a career length of more than two decades.
Just imagine what would happen if Gaga's lead single was "Teeth" or "Speechless". Yeah, you got what I mean.
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Mariah is a legend, but at that stage her career was in a shambles. WBT resurrected it. It became a hit because of the quality of the song, and not because of Mariah's name.
Rihanna has been one of the most successful artists during the past five years. Her career may not span the length of Mariah's, and her successes may not be as great, but Rihanna is a potential legend in the making, so expectations must be high.
Teeth and Speechless are widely regarded as the weakest songs on TFM, are you saying that is how you view Russian Roulette in relation to Rated R and that is why you are making the comparison?
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Originally posted by Celestial
Teeth and Speechless are widely regarded as the weakest songs on TFM, are you saying that is how you view Russian Roulette in relation to Rated R and that is why you are making the comparison?
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No, what I mean is, Russian Roulette may be a great song but it's not the type of the songs you hear very often on the American radio, which means it won't be as successful as Rihanna's past lead singles. That's why many current artists try to avoid releasing ballads at all.
RR is weak, not in the matter of the quality of the song, but commercially. "Speechless" is a good song IMO, but I'm sure the Mainstream US listeners won't accept it with wide open hands. That's what I meant by "Imagine if it was released as the first single". It would change The Fame: Monster era dramatically.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
No, what I mean is, Russian Roulette may be a great song but it's not the type of the songs you hear very often on the American radio, which means it won't be as successful as Rihanna's past lead singles. That's why many current artists try to avoid releasing ballads at all.
RR is weak, not in the matter of the quality of the song, but commercially. "Speechless" is a good song IMO, but I'm sure the Mainstream US listeners won't accept it with wide open hands. That's what I meant by "Imagine if it was released as the first single". It would change The Fame: Monster era dramatically.
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I get what you are saying, but I think Russian Roulette is commercial enough to have been successful. It was #2 in the UK, and that's not just because the UK's taste is more diverse than America's. You can't really compare the song to Speechless. I agree that things would have been different for TFM had the singles been chosen differently, but isn't it only logical to assume that?
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Originally posted by Celestial
I get what you are saying, but I think Russian Roulette is commercial enough to have been successful. It was #2 in the UK, and that's not just because the UK's taste is more diverse than America's. You can't really compare the song to Speechless. I agree that things would have been different for TFM had the singles been chosen differently, but isn't it only logical to assume that?
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RR wasn't gonna be successful in the US in the first place. It reached #1 digitally in the UK due to X Factor.
No, I meant that TFM won't open with as much as it opened, and the whole era won't be as successful as it is now. Just like what happened for Rated R. Honestly, Rude Boy saved Rihanna.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
RR wasn't gonna be successful in the US in the first place. It reached #1 digitally in the UK due to X Factor.
No, I meant that TFM won't open with as much as it opened, and the whole era won't be as successful as it is now. Just like what happened for Rated R. Honestly, Rude Boy saved Rihanna.
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I agree that the X Factor was a big factor in the songs success, but the same could be said for every song it boosted. Promotion always helps.
Rude Boy definitely altered Rihanna's fortunes and it appeared to put her career back on track after a few hiccups, but the success of the song alone is not enough to "save" Rihanna, not when she is struggling to have a follow up hit. She needs one.
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Originally posted by Celestial
I agree that the X Factor was a big factor in the songs success, but the same could be said for every song it boosted. Promotion always helps.
Rude Boy definitely altered Rihanna's fortunes and it appeared to put her career back on track after a few hiccups, but the success of the song alone is not enough to "save" Rihanna, not when she is struggling to have a follow up hit. She needs one.
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Rated R era is over, R101 and Te Amo are the finals. Rihanna will probably start recording for the new album in the summer and the album will probably be released in December.
Hopefully, it'll be GGGB: Part 2. Or a mix of all of the Rihanna elements she has given us so far, excluding the "Rockstar" one. 
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
Rated R era is over, R101 and Te Amo are the finals. Rihanna will probably start recording for the new album in the summer and the album will probably be released in December.
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I'd imagine that they will want the next record to be more commercial. They will have learned from the "mistakes" of this era. I look forward to seeing what she does. 
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
Rated R era is over, R101 and Te Amo are the finals. Rihanna will probably start recording for the new album in the summer and the album will probably be released in December.
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Well, I think that RiRi's label learned a huge lesson from this era. Some people like the "Hard" Rihanna. Some people don't. That's just the way it is. So instead of releasing an entire album like that, they could comfortably mix her old sound with her new sound.
And commenting on the whole lead single choice discussion, I think that Russian Roulette was an amazing single. However, they should have predicted the sharp contrast between her two styles and how this new style that she tried would not necessarily appeal to all the people that would have liked her before. They really need to get on the ball with this new album and make it amazing, which I believe with all the new songwriters and producers they have could be very possible.
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Te Amo itunes Arround the World:
US:
863. Te Amo - Rihanna
France:
8. Te Amo - Rihanna
Germany:
19. Te Amo - Rihanna
81. Te Amo - Rihanna
Uk:
17. Te Amo - Rihanna
Austria:
14. Te Amo - Rihanna
163. Te Amo - Rihanna
Belgium:
18. Te Amo - Rihanna
Finland:
35. Te Amo - Rihanna
Greece:
41. Te Amo - Rihanna
Ireland:
19. Te Amo - Rihanna
Italy:
13. Te Amo - Rihanna
73. Te Amo - Rihanna
Luxembourg:
17. Te Amo - Rihanna
Netherlands:
102. Te Amo - Rihanna
Portugal:
283. Te Amo - Rihanna
Spain:
254. Te Amo - Rihanna
Canada:
187. Te Amo - Rihanna
Sweden:
62. Te Amo - Rihanna
Norway:
19. Te Amo - Rihanna
Denmark:
40. Te Amo - Rihanna
Switzerland:
11. Te Amo - Rihanna
Australia:
31. Te Amo - Rihanna
73. Te Amo - Rihanna
New Zealand:
59. Te Amo - Rihanna
72. Te Amo - Rihanna
Te Amo  keep climbing
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US:
404. Rockstar 101 (feat. Slash) - Rihanna
Australia:
117. Rockstar 101 (feat. Slash) - Rihanna
Canada:
143. Rockstar 101 (feat. Slash) - Rihanna
Greece:
90. Rockstar 101 (feat. Slash) - Rihanna
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Get that #1 Greek Singles Chart hit!
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19. Dynamite
Top 20 again already 
This single is about to slay. It's rebounding remarkably fast. I predict Top 15 by Sunday 
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Get that #1 Greek Singles Chart hit!
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76. Neon Trees
65. Paramore
 Once again, they are moving up!
YLIMD back at #7 
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