[istan4badgalriri]

Originally posted by Kisuke

Ikr he should post the others too.

You've just posted the same one, again.

Wembley can hold 90k, there were at least 50k people in there :



She did 3 other shows in the UK (40k+ in Manchester, 30k in Dublin, 30k in Glasgow), that's around 150k attendance from 4 shows in the UK alone, how's that bad?

Here's another one, Paris:



Mess @ y'all thinking Live Nation refuses to release the boxscores when Live Nation confirmed that San Siro (60k) was sold out, yet they haven't posted this one.

[Travis Bickle]

Yes, it's really tragic. I mean her last boxscores

[JBJT2786]

Originally posted by bey0nce

tbh I think her team/herself just overestimate her power when it comes to booking venues.

Eg, they always book arenas in the US which is wise, and I'm pretty sure her US average increased when comparing the AWT to the DWT, no(?), which is a good thing and shows tour on tour growth.

The problem lies in Europe, especially with the AWT and the overzealous booking of stadiums in the UK/Ireland, France and Germany as well as others. Booking that many stadiums when Rihanna is not someone like Adele or Beyoncé where a stadium show will sell out within a day, so then people slowly book into different stadiums but do not fill them as there are so many alternatives. That means shows then get cancelled or end up half empty. (obviously not all, but certain cities in areas where there are other stadiums booked relatively nearby)

Tbh if she stuck with more arenas, they could have then upped the ticket prices, sold out shows and decided if there was demand for another and made more and more money. Eg 3-4 sold out shows at the O2 would probably have grossed more than the one half empty show at Wembley.

Also most of the BIG touring forces have multiple continents where they are huge touring forces whereas Rih only has the one in Europe.

Overall it's really got not much to do with her reputation, it's more her team thinking she's a bigger touring artist than she actually is causing her harm booking venues she cant fill and not having a second market outside of Europe to really slay in

Agreed. I think her team thought if she could sell out arenas multiple times like in Loud and Diamonds tours, they would sell stadiums in the same area too. Problem was that Europe wasn't as receptive as US with Anti and that's what killed them.

[Lasers]

Rihanna needs to work on her live shows, period. Its no reason why Beyonce had a baby and is older than Rihanna, yet she can still outperform Rihanna with her hands tied. Rih seems like she doesnt care to much about live performing, but if she wants to sell tickets she's gonna have to up her game. Live performing is what really holds rihanna back from 100% greatness. She has the swag, stellar catalogue and starpower.

[TMRA]

TRAGIC

[istan4badgalriri]

Originally posted by bey0nce

tbh I think her team/herself just overestimate her power when it comes to booking venues.

Eg, they always book arenas in the US which is wise, and I'm pretty sure her US average increased when comparing the AWT to the DWT, no(?), which is a good thing and shows tour on tour growth.

The problem lies in Europe, especially with the AWT and the overzealous booking of stadiums in the UK/Ireland, France and Germany as well as others. Booking that many stadiums when Rihanna is not someone like Adele or Beyoncé where a stadium show will sell out within a day, so then people slowly book into different stadiums but do not fill them as there are so many alternatives. That means shows then get cancelled or end up half empty. (obviously not all, but certain cities in areas where there are other stadiums booked relatively nearby)

Tbh if she stuck with more arenas, they could have then upped the ticket prices, sold out shows and decided if there was demand for another and made more and more money. Eg 3-4 sold out shows at the O2 would probably have grossed more than the one half empty show at Wembley.

Also most of the BIG touring forces have multiple continents where they are huge touring forces whereas Rih only has the one in Europe.

Overall it's really got not much to do with her reputation, it's more her team thinking she's a bigger touring artist than she actually is causing her harm booking venues she cant fill and not having a second market outside of Europe to really slay in

Also this. She's able to sell out 2 stadiums in the UK, 2 in France & 2 in Germany but not 4-5 stadiums in each country. But you can't really blame her team considering Rihanna sold out Twickenham stadium twice + Stadium of Light during DWT. The UK wasn't really here for ANTI (sans Work).

[PrettyHurts]

She's not the kind of artist that you want to see live. Her stage presence isn't good and she doesn't dance or have good production. The only thing she has is her voice, and that's inconsistent live apart from a few songs

[Tuli]

I actually enjoy her performances a lot. Maybe the "problem" with her shows is the minimalism / toned down production.

[JonginBey]

Originally posted by lonnie

Levelling the field doesn't equate to abandoning reason though

You mean being petty and childish? Pretty sure I hit the nail on the head

[Cristhian]

She's a horrible performer and I stan. She just doesn't give a ****.

[MrPiggyMoka]

Originally posted by giRLbye.

well having a job allows you to actually buy tickets & albums and not rely on corporate giveaways, scavenger hunts & free streams so your fave can have the best selling release WW and the #1 tour

maybe you should think about getting one

fsdkjgndfkgjdf bitch

[giRLbye.]

honestly...its not even about the toned down production b/c alot of those old rock band artists dont have big pop productions & still sell out. its the combination of it all. she doesnt have big stage production...but she doesn't make up for it in having a solid vocal ability to where none of it makes a difference...ala Adele. she can't play any instruments...so its not like anybody is coming to see any musicianship. she is a lazy half assed dancer....so there's no draw in being entertained by a dance show.

she brings no factors together...i saw one performance from the tour...it was nothing more than karaoke. the backtrack & the crowd sang half the song. she has the #1 hits....but what's the incentive in spending $100+ dollars rather than streaming it on Spotify?? maybe they'll come for the fashion and see what hairstyle she's going to wear for the show??

[Beatfreak]

lol at the op saying no bees buzzing in here and the same beyonce gif is in half of the posts

[katykater]

The OP asked for it and gets the honest answer.

I bought a festival ticket to see Halsey and got Rih for free. I asked around in the center of Europe and first response was "Never again!":

• She was late.
• Security threatened the audience that everyone has to sit down in their seat or she won't be coming on stage.
• She strolled half assed on stage like she would rather be somewhere else.
• She doesn't sing much of her songs.
• She has an air of arrogance like you should be happy that she is only 2 hours late and not 3.

We all saw those newspapers dragging Rih: http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1043278

It's actually a wonder that there are still people wanting to buy her tickets. Well, you can trick a naive customer once and he/she will be totally convinced to never ever go back to her. Considering that there are new people born every year and her hits recruit people every year, there are always yearly new waves of naive people. What an unsustainable business plan, somehow she can pull that off.

The reason why a Katy tour, a Taylor tour,... did better is because they gave their audience the positive experience and convinced them to go to their next tour.

[QueenB4]

She's not a great performer, she's so lazy on stage.

I must say though that I was extremely surprised that her Wembley stadium date was half empty on her ANTI tour. I mean the UK is Rihanna's strongest and most loyal market it was actually embarrassing that she couldn't fill that stadium.

[LoveLiveMusic]

not to stir the pot but you talk about Rihanna being lazy and half assed yet Justin Bieber just extended his tour into 2017 with 40 more dates and about 80% of those are stadiums.

[NewRihannaStan]

I'm what world is Taylor and Katy a better performer than Rihanna.? Why are the monsters trying it when Anti tour>>>Artrave

[Floyd Mayweather]

She's not that bad of a performer. Give her time she's only 28.

[Mystic Boy]

Navy trying desperatley to convince themselves is pretty sad.... Even her fans know she's a very bad performer, and her tour stats are showing that.... 100 million $ gross is tragic With the amount of stadium dates she had.... Her stadium dates had arena gross

And i M not even talking about the big embarassement in the USA where she struggled big time to fill arenas where ANTI was supposed to be the most successful . At this stage of her career, it's really bad

[IVY]

She's so lazy on stage and she sometimes acts like I don't want to be here, and she rarely sings a full song live.