Eh going a bit too far here. Not to deny Mariah's impact with popularizing the rap feature in the mainstream/pop scene, but Bey was in a group with two rappers and doing songs with rap in them when she was 10 years old with Girls Tyme and had long established a foundation of using hip hop in her music with influencers like Janet, Mary J. Blige and TLC before Mariah went that route.
1993:
Mariah deserves her due for the mainstream pop music scene popularization, but people glaze over the fact that singers featuring rappers in music was already wildly popular in the R&B scene long before Mariah went there. It was almost 1996 when the Fantasy remix dropped after a half decade of R&B songs featuring rappers having success on the R&B/hip hop charts. Mariah just adapted an already working formula/sound (the 90s Bad Boy remix era was poppin' like crazy) and gave it further exposure. She was undeniably impactful in that respect, but people do too much attempting to give her such singular credit for the singer/rapper marriage.
Anyway, I had no intention of getting pulled back into this trap of a thread...bye.
Are you kidding? She has sold more singles from this album than any other artist this year, her entire album charted on the Hot 100, she has the highest debut sales week for a female this year
I think Mariah and Whiteny's legacies are more authentic, if that makes sense. Not to diminish what Beyonce has accomplished or her talent, but I feel like her legacy (especially from 2011 onwards) and her ascension to an "untouchable" status in this era have rested largely on brilliant PR. Beyonce's music, imo, will not stand the test of time in the same way that Mariah and Whitney's has.
Remedial comprehension version: Mariah introducing that song formula to white people doesn't mean she's responsible for every R&B singer that featured a rapper in a song after 1996, such as Bey with Crazy in Love. Clear enough?
Remedial comprehension version: Mariah introducing that song formula to white people doesn't mean she's responsible for every R&B singer that featured a rapper in a song after 1996, such as Bey with Crazy in Love. Clear enough?
I think Mariah and Whiteny's legacies are more authentic, if that makes sense. Not to diminish what Beyonce has accomplished or her talent, but I feel like her legacy (especially from 2011 onwards) and her ascension to an "untouchable" status in this era have rested largely on brilliant PR. Beyonce's music, imo, will not stand the test of time in the same way that Mariah and Whitney's has.
I see what you're saying, but her music has.
Say My Name
Bootylicious
Survivor
Independent Women
Lose My Breath
Crazy in Love
Baby Boy
Irreplaceable
Beautiful Liar
Get Me Bodied (Urban community)
If I Were a Boy
Single Ladies
Halo
Diva
Ego (Urban Community)
RTW
Love on Top
Dance For You (Urban Community)
Party (Urban Community)
Drunk in Love
Partition
7/11
Formation
Sorry
Everyone knows these song. On ATRL, we often undermine things the GP knows. I've never met someone who hasn't heard any of the songs above tbh. Even then, she only really needs 3-4 songs to REALLY make that splash which she has. Mariah & Whitney only have the same amount of universally known songs and they're only 10-15 years older.
Say My Name
Bootylicious
Survivor
Independent Women
Lose My Breath
Crazy in Love
Baby Boy
Irreplaceable
Beautiful Liar
Get Me Bodied (Urban community)
If I Were a Boy
Single Ladies
Halo
Diva
Ego (Urban Community)
RTW
Love on Top
Dance For You (Urban Community)
Party (Urban Community)
Drunk in Love
Partition
7/11
Formation
Sorry
Everyone knows these song. On ATRL, we often undermine things the GP knows. I've never met someone who hasn't heard any of the songs above tbh. Even then, she only really needs 3-4 songs to REALLY make that splash which she has. Mariah & Whitney only have the same amount of universally known songs and they're only 10-15 years older.
Your comparing songs like 7/11 and diva to cross generation classics like IWLY, I have nothing, hero and AIWFCIY
Say My Name
Bootylicious
Survivor
Independent Women
Lose My Breath
Crazy in Love
Baby Boy
Irreplaceable
Beautiful Liar
Get Me Bodied (Urban community)
If I Were a Boy
Single Ladies
Halo
Diva
Ego (Urban Community)
RTW
Love on Top
Dance For You (Urban Community)
Party (Urban Community)
Drunk in Love
Partition
7/11
Formation
Sorry
Everyone knows these song.
This is a big fat lie. Her only recognizable global hits are Crazy In Love, Single Ladies and Halo.
Say My Name
Bootylicious
Survivor
Independent Women
Lose My Breath
Crazy in Love
Baby Boy
Irreplaceable
Beautiful Liar
Get Me Bodied (Urban community)
If I Were a Boy
Single Ladies
Halo
Diva
Ego (Urban Community)
RTW
Love on Top
Dance For You (Urban Community)
Party (Urban Community)
Drunk in Love
Partition
7/11
Formation SorryListen
Everyone knows these song. On ATRL, we often undermine things the GP knows. I've never met someone who hasn't heard any of the songs above tbh. Even then, she only really needs 3-4 songs to REALLY make that splash which she has. Mariah & Whitney only have the same amount of universally known songs and they're only 10-15 years older.
Say My Name
Bootylicious
Survivor
Independent Women
Lose My Breath
Crazy in Love
Baby Boy
Irreplaceable
Beautiful Liar
Get Me Bodied (Urban community)
If I Were a Boy
Single Ladies
Halo
Diva
Ego (Urban Community)
RTW
Love on Top
Dance For You (Urban Community)
Party (Urban Community)
Drunk in Love
Partition
7/11
Formation
Sorry
Everyone knows these song. On ATRL, we often undermine things the GP knows. I've never met someone who hasn't heard any of the songs above tbh. Even then, she only really needs 3-4 songs to REALLY make that splash which she has. Mariah & Whitney only have the same amount of universally known songs and they're only 10-15 years older.
Meh. I think both Whitney and Mariah fans could compose a similar list of "hits" that they believe are recognizable and ubiquitous within culture (and with more reciepts ) but most of your picks are laughable at best. Are you excluding the urban community from Whitney and Mariah's audiences?
I think she hasn't for whitney, but yes for mimi. nobody takes mariah seriously, I love her but its the truth. I think people respect beyonce more than the big diva.
This is a big fat lie. Her only recognizable global hits are Crazy In Love, Single Ladies and Halo.
Irreplaceable alone is known globally. I have never met a person who doesn't know Irreplaceable, and no, I don't surround myself with fellow Beyhive members. I'm from the UK by the way.
When Bey headlined at Glastonbury, the first woman to do so in 25 years, people in the audience who weren't Bey fans, knew the lyrics to Irreplaceable, word for word.
Let's not even get into DC songs. They have like 5 classics alone, that most people can recognize WW.
Irreplaceable alone is known globally. I have never met a person who doesn't know Irreplaceable, and no, I don't surround myself with fellow Beyhive members. I'm from the UK by the way.
When Bey headlined at Glastonbury, the first woman to do so in 25 years, people in the audience who weren't Bey fans, knew the lyrics to Irreplaceable, word for word.
Let's not even get into DC songs. They have like 5 classics alone, that most people can recognize WW.
Irreplaceable is known in the Anglo sphere maybe but it's not global
Say My Name
Bootylicious
Survivor
Independent Women
Lose My Breath
Crazy in Love
Baby Boy
Irreplaceable
Beautiful Liar
Get Me Bodied (Urban community)
If I Were a Boy
Single Ladies
Halo
Diva
Ego (Urban Community)
RTW
Love on Top
Dance For You (Urban Community)
Party (Urban Community)
Drunk in Love
Partition
7/11
Formation
Sorry
Everyone knows these song. On ATRL, we often undermine things the GP knows. I've never met someone who hasn't heard any of the songs above tbh. Even then, she only really needs 3-4 songs to REALLY make that splash which she has. Mariah & Whitney only have the same amount of universally known songs and they're only 10-15 years older.
NOBODY in the GP remembers ST songs sis. they bombed at radio in the first place. "Dance With You" "Get Me Bodied" and "Ego" too much.
The remembered Beyonce songs are CIL, SL and the DC catalog. Anything else is a desperate reach.
Anyway, I had no intention of getting pulled back into this trap of a thread...bye.
) but most of your picks are laughable at best. Are you excluding the urban community from Whitney and Mariah's audiences?
the essays 
NOBODY in the GP remembers ST songs sis. they bombed at radio in the first place. "Dance With You" "Get Me Bodied" and "Ego"