[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by NE.

5. We need to stop silencing those who disagree with us and trying to shame people into voting for our candidate instead of allowing open dialogue and providing inspiring reasons.

6- We need to stop living in La La Land because getting a low minority turnout while one of the candidates has threatened the civil rights of every racial minority in America clearly shows the laziness and lack of touch with reality of the Dem party.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

2020 definitely needs to be Bernie. Not that he'll win but incumbents never lose so that's our only shot.

* Incumbents never lose if the economy is doing well and/or we're in the middle of a war.

Let's get that straight first! I guess we need a recession to get rid of him.

[Espresso]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

2020 definitely needs to be Bernie. Not that he'll win but incumbents never lose so that's our only shot.

This repetitive naivete about Bernie is pissing me off.

How many TIMES do I need to say this - Bernie DIDN'T GET MINORITIES IN THE PRIMARY. What makes you think that would change? He NEEDS minority turn-out. The numbers just aren't his favor otherwise - with one "socialist" catchphrase Trump would DESTROY him.

[TSLGNMA]

Originally posted by ShouldersSideways

All I know is that at least one candidate in the primary or otherwise is going to run with the slogan

"A Vision for the Future" because it's 2020

Diffinetly Elizabeth Warren.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by Espresso

This repetitive naivete about Bernie is pissing me off.

How many TIMES do I need to say this - Bernie DIDN'T GET MINORITIES IN THE PRIMARY. What makes you think that would change? He NEEDS minority turn-out. The numbers just aren't his favor otherwise - with one "socialist" catchphrase Trump would DESTROY him.

Minorities stayed home in the general election. They built her up in the primaries then dropped her in the general election. She would be winning right now with a minority turnout akin to that of the primaries.

[Butters]

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/12/501848...ntial-election

worth looking at the breakdowns

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by King Maxx

* Incumbents never lose if the economy is doing well and/or we're in the middle of a war.

Let's get that straight first! I guess we need a recession to get rid of him.

Well I'm here for anything that makes the people suffer these 4 years but incumbents win based on patriotism and reliance on the incumbent. That's what Romney's 47% comment was about. The last time that chain was broken is because of the conservative phenomenon that split HW's votes. HW still has the highest approval ratings of the past 35 years.

[Espresso]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

Minorities stayed home in the general election. They built her up in the primaries then dropped her in the general election. She would be winning right now with a minority turnout akin to that of the primaries.

And WHY didn't that happen. That is at the heart of even having a remote chance in 2020.

Bernie CAN'T RELY SOLELY ON RUST BELT WHITE MEN. The numbers aren't. there.

[RihRihGirrrl]

This false notion that Bernie would have won....Hillary couldn't even get minorities to show up in the numbers necessary what makes yall think they would've shown up for Bernie when he lost them by a landslide in the primaries

He would've also lost the white working class to Trump (even tho he would've done better than Hillary) because it was more than economic strife with those voters, it was also a deep seated disdain for immigrants who they've always believed were 'taking' their jobs and that's not the message Bernie was selling.

[King Maxx]

Bernie was too honest and real for this election.

Trump would've got under his skin. Crazy Bernie would've stuck.

[Espresso]

Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl

This false notion that Bernie would have won....Hillary couldn't even get minorities to show up in the numbers necessary what makes yall think they would've shown up for Bernie when he lost them by a landslide in the primaries

He would've also lost the white working class to Trump (even tho he would've done better than Hillary) because it was more than economic strife with those voters, it was also a deep seated disdain for immigrants who they've always believed were 'taking' their jobs and that's not the message Bernie was selling.

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[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by Espresso

And WHY didn't that happen. That is at the heart of even having a remote chance in 2020.

Bernie CAN'T RELY SOLELY ON RUST BELT WHITE MEN. The numbers aren't. there.

He also had millennials and independents.

[Butters]

Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl

He would've also lost the white working class to Trump (even tho he would've done better than Hillary) because it was more than economic strife with those voters, it was also a deep seated disdain for immigrants who they've always believed were 'taking' their jobs and that's not the message Bernie was selling.

Good point. Though the edge he had in working class would have put him over the edge in many of the blue states Hillary lost to Trump in the rust-belt.

You're kidding yourself if minorities and other life-long democrats would have dropped Bernie simply because of the socialism boogie monster

[Espresso]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

He also had millennials and independents.

Still not enough to tip the scales.

I get what you're trying to say but it still doesn't add up. Don't have the energy to pull up data receipts.

[Yndda]

Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl

This false notion that Bernie would have won....Hillary couldn't even get minorities to show up in the numbers necessary what makes yall think they would've shown up for Bernie when he lost them by a landslide in the primaries

He would've also lost the white working class to Trump (even tho he would've done better than Hillary) because it was more than economic strife with those voters, it was also a deep seated disdain for immigrants who they've always believed were 'taking' their jobs and that's not the message Bernie was selling.

this fresh-out-the-pot tea

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by Espresso

Still not enough to tip the scales.

I get what you're trying to say but it still doesn't add up. Don't have the energy to pull up data receipts.

He'd just need the longtime democrats which means Hillary has to campaign for him in 2020 if she still cares about politics

[King Maxx]

Still trying to imagine Trump being mentally and temperamentally prepared for this job. I think he's going to chicken out so easily.

[slw84]

Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic

I wouldn't be surprised if majority of those millenials end up progressively more conservative as they age.
I was a SJW during my teenage-early adulthood years 7-8 years ago. And look how conservative I turned out to be now. at 27.
I'm a PoC, so there goes the myth I'm a white privileged male.
People just need to open their eyes a bit.

True

Originally posted by Espresso

All I know is that Cheeto Mussolini will never bring back coal country.
That sociopathic bigoted rapist will NEVER be my president. Not all four years. Not. Ever.

I hope you get to the point of acceptance soon.
The namecalling and denial is not becoming...

Originally posted by Jackson

What we need to accept:
1. Bernie lost
2. Hillary lost
3. We NEED a unifying candidate for 2020

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

4- We need to grow the **** up and stop validating the delusions of the regressive left that divided this party.

I admire your honesty

Originally posted by NE.

I guess you'll be moving out of the country before January 20th because that's when your #NotMyPresident mantra expires lol.

Yeah, it's this weird thing that would be deemed racist for those saying this during the Obama era and sexist for those saying it during a Clinton era
I don't get how people see this is a winning approach

Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic

I agree.

[Butters]

I wonder how many minority voters Hillary lost due to the voter ID stuff. Was this a problem in 2012?

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by King Maxx

Still trying to imagine Trump being mentally and temperamentally prepared for this job. I think he's going to chicken out so easily.

He was never gonna be president and he still won't be. Poor a certain member and his "he's your president now "
Bush-Cheney 2.0 except Bush was a good person so at least he had the people's love to fall back on.