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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Bey's last 3 albums are topping top of the year lists left right and center. I know it's a hard concept to grasp for you girls that everyone doesn't peak on their debut or early into their careers.
N thanks for exposing that wonder person for being a fraud.
Straight from your link:
Best song: "How Will I Know," perky synth funk evoking Houston's family friend Aretha Franklin.
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What does this have to do with you saying none of Whitney's albums are acclaimed? 
YOU.
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WRONG.
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Originally posted by NEZ
sorry but beyonce can sing and dance circles around madonna and shes more beautiful. she has way more grammys and much more acclaim and shes coming for her tour numbers. madonna wouldnt stand a chance with the new crop of pop girls.
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Tell that to Bey:
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"I think about Madonna and how she took all of the great things she achieved and started the label and developed other artists. But there are not enough of those women."
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Bey's last 3 albums are topping top of the year lists left right and center. I know it's a hard concept to grasp for you girls that everyone doesn't peak on their debut or early into their careers.
N thanks for exposing that wonder person for being a fraud.
Straight from your link:
Best song: "How Will I Know," perky synth funk evoking Houston's family friend Aretha Franklin.
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So where are her last 3 albums on any of the lists I posted?
Beyoncé has 5 albums before Lemonade. What's the excuse for those? Also 4 albums with Destiny's Child, including the innovative, "Bills, Bills Bills" and "Bug-A-Boo." Why aren't any of their albums on any Greatest of All Time lists? She is more musically innovative than the female artists before her right? Where ARE. THE. LISTS?
And my post only proved how little you actually know considering how I effortlessly punched a hole through all of your fallacious statements. And if you read my "novel" you would see that I stated Aretha was a major influence for Whitney so you will hear similarities in the music. But Whitney still blazed her own musical trail. History has proven that.
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None of her albums are acclaimed. Nobody ever says that Whitney album inspired my new record. None of her albums have rave reviews.
Y'all continue to post anything but an album review. Whitney better be happy she was before the COS and pitchfork days with her single heavy / filler heavy albums.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
So where are her last 3 albums on any of the lists I posted?
Beyoncé has 5 albums before Lemonade. What's the excuse for those? She is more musically innovative than the female artists before her right? Where ARE. THE. LISTS?
And my post only proved how little you actually know considering how I effortlessly I punched a hole through all of your fallacious statements. And if you read my "novel" you would see that I stated Aretha was a major influence for Whitney so you will hear similarities in the music. But Whitney still blazed her own musical trail. History has proven that.
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None of those lists were made after the release of the last 3 albums. Are you done or are you finished?
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Originally posted by MrYorkshireFenty
Why is Janet always put on this level?
Madonna is on her own level.
Followed by Mariah and Whitney.
You've asked them? Carried out a WW study?
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Yes, actually even my dad, the other day I told him about Whitney and he didn't know who she was, he doesn't even know Mariah or Janet because they were popular only on the US and Europe but he knows MJ, Madonna, Rihanna, Gaga, Frank Sinatra, Elvis, Britney and he always asks me about what is doing Beyonce, Rihanna or Gaga and he knows that most people considers Madonna as the Queen of pop.
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Here's the tea.
Beyoncé doesn't dance as well as Janet, but can outsing her any day.
Beyoncé doesn't sing as well as Celine, Mariah or Whitney, but she can outperform them any day.
Beyoncé doesn't push as many boundaries as Madonna but she can outsing & outperform her any day (outperform is debatable, but Beyoncé is a significantly better dancer)
BUT, Beyoncé is good in all the fields. She doesn't fall short in anything. Lemonade, regardless of your opinion, pushed a LOT of boundaries.
You guys bring up album sales quite a bit, but NO ONE is selling albums like that anymore besides Adele 
Are Mariah/Janet/Whitney/Madonna bigger or on the level of Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Aretha, Patti Labelle? The general consensus is they are on the same level, if not higher. But what's so different about Beyoncé? She has consistently been in the names of the world for almost 2 decades.
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None of them are on Aretha's level.
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
None of her albums are acclaimed. Nobody ever says that Whitney album inspired my new record. None of her albums have rave reviews.
Y'all continue to post anything but an album review. Whitney better be happy she was before the COS and pitchfork days with her single heavy / filler heavy albums.
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This is true. Besides her voice, Whitney made throwaway cheap singles out. She didn't feel or believe half the things she sang. It all turned when My Love Is Your Love came out. That was the first time I think I heard Whitney REALLY do what she wanted to do musically.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
This is true. Besides her voice, Whitney made throwaway cheap singles out. She didn't feel or believe half the things she sang. It all turned when My Love Is Your Love came out. That was the first time I think I heard Whitney REALLY do what she wanted to do musically.
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And even there the singles were the highlight.
Whitneys best "album" is the preachers wife soundtrack.
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Objectively, she's the legend of this generation. That's undeniable. Her albums, tours, critical and commercial acclaim, widespread appeal &etc only prove that. You have to strongly dislike her to disagree, in which case you would still be wrong.
So yes, she is on their level. Besides, it's not like that list is never changing and no artists could be added to it.
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
None of her albums are acclaimed. Nobody ever says that Whitney album inspired my new record. None of her albums have rave reviews.
Y'all continue to post anything but an album review. Whitney better be happy she was before the COS and pitchfork days with her single heavy / filler heavy albums.
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You've already been proven wrong. Just take the L.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
Here's the tea.
Beyoncé doesn't dance as well as Janet, but can outsing her any day.
Beyoncé doesn't sing as well as Celine, Mariah or Whitney, but she can outperform them any day.
Beyoncé doesn't push as many boundaries as Madonna but she can outsing & outperform her any day (outperform is debatable, but Beyoncé is a significantly better dancer)
BUT, Beyoncé is good in all the fields. She doesn't fall short in anything. Lemonade, regardless of your opinion, pushed a LOT of boundaries.
You guys bring up album sales quite a bit, but NO ONE is selling albums like that anymore besides Adele
Are Mariah/Janet/Whitney/Madonna bigger or on the level of Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Aretha, Patti Labelle? The general consensus is they are on the same level, if not higher. But what's so different about Beyoncé? She has consistently been in the names of the world for almost 2 decades. |
Madonna was trained to perform ballet, she has a control of her body that Beyoncé, technically, doesn't have.
Madonna has never claimed to be a flawless singer though she has worked on her vocals and she has proved she can do an excellent job when she wants to/has to (''Evita'').
Madonna has always had a whole lot more of control of her career than Beyoncé (Beyoncé herself admits it).
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
Here's the tea.
Beyoncé doesn't dance as well as Janet, but can outsing her any day.
Beyoncé doesn't sing as well as Celine, Mariah or Whitney, but she can outperform them any day.
Beyoncé doesn't push as many boundaries as Madonna but she can outsing & outperform her any day (outperform is debatable, but Beyoncé is a significantly better dancer)
BUT, Beyoncé is good in all the fields. She doesn't fall short in anything. Lemonade, regardless of your opinion, pushed a LOT of boundaries.
You guys bring up album sales quite a bit, but NO ONE is selling albums like that anymore besides Adele
Are Mariah/Janet/Whitney/Madonna bigger or on the level of Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Aretha, Patti Labelle? The general consensus is they are on the same level, if not higher. But what's so different about Beyoncé? She has consistently been in the names of the world for almost 2 decades. |
I'd say she's more versatile than Celine tho and I doubt Mariah can rapsing and do Urban as well as Bey. Vocal talent doesn't just mean range (which Bey has), but it also means control and delivery on different levels. Vocally, Bey is criminally underrated.
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
None of her albums are acclaimed. Nobody ever says that Whitney album inspired my new record. None of her albums have rave reviews.
Y'all continue to post anything but an album review. Whitney better be happy she was before the COS and pitchfork days with her single heavy / filler heavy albums.
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I posted receipts from both Rolling Stone and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that disputes this. But you can continue to act like they don't exist to make yourself feel better. 
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
None of those lists were made after the release of the last 3 albums. Are you done or are you finished?
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Actually, I'm not. I edited and included the 4 albums she released with Destiny's Child. The Rolling Stone Greatest Albums of All Time was created in 2003, which makes Destiny's Child, The Writings on the Wall and Survivor eligible for inclusion. So why didn't none of them make the list? Weren't they musically innovative? Where's the acclaim? 
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Originally posted by BobBertran1992
Madonna was trained to perform ballet, she has a control of her body that Beyoncé, technically, doesn't have.
Madonna has never claimed to be a flawless singer though she has worked on her vocals and she has proved she can do an excellent job when she wants to/has to (''Evita'').
Madonna has always had a whole lot more of control of her career than Beyoncé (Beyoncé herself admits it).
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Beyonce went to a performing arts school and has been taking ballet up into her adult life. Stop insinuating things that are not true.
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
Here's the tea.
Beyoncé doesn't dance as well as Janet, but can outsing her any day.
Beyoncé doesn't sing as well as Celine, Mariah or Whitney, but she can outperform them any day.
Beyoncé doesn't push as many boundaries as Madonna but she can outsing & outperform her any day (outperform is debatable, but Beyoncé is a significantly better dancer)
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Reread this and hopefully you'll see why this is just not a good argument.
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
Are Mariah/Janet/Whitney/Madonna bigger or on the level of Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Aretha, Patti Labelle? The general consensus is they are on the same level, if not higher. But what's so different about Beyoncé? She has consistently been in the names of the world for almost 2 decades.
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Actually no they're not. Artists like Diana, Aretha, and Tina hold a cultural importance that supersedes any amount of album sales and hits that Madonna/Mariah/Whitney/Janet have.
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
Here's the tea.
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It was stale.
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Y'all love calling Beyoncé unoriginal and whack but praise Mariah when the good sis hates her first 4 albums aka her best selling 
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Beyonce went to a performing arts school and has been taking ballet up into her adult life. Stop insinuating things that are not true.
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Madonna was very young when she started taking ballet lessons, so she has more experience than Beyoncé on that level.
Bey is a 8/10 dancer, Madonna a 11/10.
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Beyonce is above Janet.
The others she's on their level also.
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