Dead @ the lack of logic in this thread. Bernie doesn't make the rules. If he benefits from super delegates, that is out of his hands. That doesn't mean he supports it He has always said he is for abolishing them.
OKAY and what? Nor did say he supports super delegates. Bloo's allegation stays moot.
You don't have to support superdelegates to want them to overturn the will of the majority...
Bernie was never for it, true. But he done tried to get them to go against the people, also true. Bloo was saying Bernie tried that and that's true. That was his point
Dead @ the lack of logic in this thread. Bernie doesn't make the rules. If he benefits from super delegates, that is out of his hands. That doesn't mean he supports it He has always said he is for abolishing them.
Please stop. He can't scream democracy yet say 4M people's vote didn't matter.
Also remember when he and his team said the South and blacks votes didn't matter. Oh this man thought white men was going to secure him the win. Doesn't that sound like someone else we know?
Dead @ the lack of logic in this thread. Bernie doesn't make the rules. If he benefits from super delegates, that is out of his hands. That doesn't mean he supports it He has always said he is for abolishing them.
It's not out of his hands though, he could drop out. To ensure that the voters get the candidate they want. But he's in the race, meaning he would support them switching. Simple stuff
You don't have to support superdelegates to want them to overturn the will of the majority...
Bernie was never for it, true. But he done tried to get them to go against the people, also true. Bloo was saying Bernie tried that and that's true. That was his point
No he didn't. Where is your proof? The only thing Bernie and his team has ever said was that super delegates don't vote till the convention so:
1. Media should should stop conflating them with pledged delegates
2. The race should not be declared over
Stating facts does not make you a hypocrite. That is how the system works, those were the rules in which he entered. He wants to change them but they are still there...
It's not out of his hands though, he could drop out. To ensure that the voters get the candidate they want. But he's in the race, meaning he would support them switching. Simple stuff
He's can still be in the race for several other reason outside of winning. And he could win without super delegates, i.e if hillary dropped out or was assassinated. Anything can happen.
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Please stop. He can't scream democracy yet say 4M people's vote didn't matter.
Also remember when he and his team said the South and blacks votes didn't matter. Oh this man thought white men was going to secure him the win. Doesn't that sound like someone else we know?
When did he say this? I would like a link.
+ When it comes to the case of electability, the southern vote in red states does not matter
No he didn't. Where is your proof? The only thing Bernie and his team has ever said was that super delegates don't vote till the convention so:
1. Media should should stop conflating them with pledged delegates
2. The race should not be declared over
Stating facts does not make you a hypocrite.
Nope. His team, repeatedly, have stated they are courting superdelegates to get them to switch, even if it's against the will of the people. Literal anti-democracy. Proof is below
In the first 45 seconds Jeff Weaver, Bernie's campaign manager, has said that even if Bernie was behind in the popular vote and pledged delegate count they will spend the months after June 7th and before the convention courting superdelegates to overturn the will of the people. This was 2 months ago
You can be a stickler for democracy like you have been in this thread. But don't tell others to take off stan goggles when the candidate you supported has spouted anti democratic rhetoric for a while now. In essence that is Bloo's point.
He's can still be in the race for several other reason outside of winning. And he could win without super delegates, i.e if hillary dropped out or was assassinated. Anything can happen.
Name one other reason to still be in the race outside of winning and if something happened to Hillary, obviously he could just reenter the race
Hillary won the South, almost all of the swing states, and states with the biggest population and states with the biggest minority groups.
Bernie won the whitest and safest blue states. And he won them because of caucuses. Let's not play stupid. If there was ever a president to turn the country blue with a 50 state strategy, it's Hillary. Bernie couldn't expand the electoral map.
EDIT: He also won the reddest states ironically. West Virginia, Indiana, Utah, etc.
I'm a poll worker and Bernie flopped, period - he even lost San Francisco of all places. Older Latinos who make up a HUGE chunk of the electorate voted for Hillary and pined for the 90s Clinton days. Their minds were already made up as soon as she announced her candidacy as well as older Asians, Blacks, etc.
We are trained to let Independents vote and even to ask several times if they want to vote in the Democratic primary, yes even with Independents (NPPs) allowed, Bern had a huge deficit - why? Because he banked on the youth who are known for abysmal turnouts. Not to mention the silliest questions being asked in line like "Can I register today? Can I switch parties?"
Online registration has existed for ages and the closing period was only a few days before the primary. If they don't know their shhh that's their problem and according to what I heard Bernie's emails didn't help, Hillary's reminded people of registration deadlines and links to register. In the end the bulk of his wins were the least populated/whitest counties (see the second sentence in the first paragraph to know why )
It always takes ages to count the CA ballots because we are the most populated state in the country. We're at 700,000 provisional/mail-ins left and those are last because we have to make sure that the people were A. Even registered to vote and B. That they're actually a Democrat/Independent since Republicans et al can't vote in the Democratic primary, naturally. A few won't get counted, but most will. There's no guarantee Bernie can make grounds even then.
Duh, poll workers are volunteers, you don't need to be a politician to be one, it's why they're called workers
TYT can keep reaching, but Hillary won CA in 2008 against Obama even when he ate at her AA vote, so I don't know why they are surprised that she slayed when AA and all other minorities went in droves to Hillary a second time, even more than before since she's actually known here for decades and there's no minority candidate running against her.
I agree with everything you said! I was also a poll worker and yes the 2hr class was a mess but we were still given a book to review everything. The majority of the Bernie people at my polling place didn't registered on time and were still given provisional ballots.
One of them was a cute guy and I felt bad for him
I feel like it's rather obvious Clinton is picking Warren at this point. Both of them are beginning to use the same attack points on Trump, which is probably to show that they're able to work together, share the same ideas, etc.
The other names are probably only there at this point to keep the suspense going and just in case anything happens.
Nope. His team, repeatedly, have stated they are courting superdelegates to get them to switch, even if it's against the will of the people. Literal anti-democracy. Proof is below
In the first 45 seconds Jeff Weaver, Bernie's campaign manager, has said that even if Bernie was behind in the popular vote and pledged delegate count they will spend the months after June 7th and before the convention courting superdelegates to overturn the will of the people. This was 2 months ago
You can be a stickler for democracy like you have been in this thread. But don't tell others to take off stan goggles when the candidate you supported has spouted anti democratic rhetoric for a while now. In essence that is Bloo's point.
Don't play dumb with me JAVAN
This interview was before California, when it was still probable that Hillary would not reach the perquisite number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination. Did you not watch the video? This isn't about overturning 4 million votes. If the people can not decide the election in that circumstance under DNC rules, then the responsible thing to do would be "court superdelegates".
Bernie hasn't talked about super delegates once since California. You tried it.
Name one other reason to still be in the race outside of winning and if something happened to Hillary, obviously he could just reenter the race
Changes political discourse, pushes Hillary to the left, apparently he wants a pick on who her VP is. The longer he's in the race, the more power he will have during the convention
Hillary won the South, almost all of the swing states, and states with the biggest population and states with the biggest minority groups.
Bernie won the whitest and safest blue states. And he won them because of caucuses. Let's not play stupid. If there was ever a president to turn the country blue with a 50 state strategy, it's Hillary. Bernie couldn't expand the electoral map.
EDIT: He also won the reddest states ironically. West Virginia, Indiana, Utah, etc.
He also won the only state in America where POC are the majority
This interview was before California, when it was still probable that Hillary would not reach the perquisite number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination. Did you not watch the video? This isn't about overturning 4 million votes. If the people can not decide the election in that circumstance under DNC rules, then the responsible thing to do would be "court superdelegates".
Bernie hasn't talked about super delegates once since California. You tried it.
Umm that doesn't matter? It's anti democratic rhetoric to claim you're gonna flip the majority of votes and pledged delegates when trying to get superdelegates to hand you the nomination.
Doesn't matter if Weaver, Sanders' campaign manager, said it before or after California because it is still anti democratic rhetoric
Take off your stan glasses and understand that for a change.
Umm that doesn't matter? It's anti democratic rhetoric to claim you're gonna flip the majority of votes and pledged delegates when trying to get superdelegates to hand you the nomination.
Doesn't matter if Weaver, Sanders' campaign manager, said it before or after California because it is still anti democratic rhetoric
Take off your stan glasses and understand that for a change.
Enough of this Bernie talk I'm tired!
Nothing is being flipped if she doesn't have the requisite number of pledged delegates to win anyway. The relative majority vote doesn't say mean much when you have open primaries, closed primaries and caucuses. If all states did open primaries maybe you would have a case, but this is about pledged delegates. Now that she's pretty much got that number, the super delegate talk from Bernie's team has stopped altogether.
You're welcome to a nap.
I feel like it's rather obvious Clinton is picking Warren at this point. Both of them are beginning to use the same attack points on Trump, which is probably to show that they're able to work together, share the same ideas, etc.
The other names are probably only there at this point to keep the suspense going and just in case anything happens.
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Changes political discourse, pushes Hillary to the left, apparently he wants a pick on who her VP is. The longer he's in the race, the more power he will have during the convention
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He also won the only state in America where POC are the majority
He's not getting everything he wants. He still thinks Hillary will say free college for all. The delusion of a 70+ year old man is quite amusing.
And trolling is never cute. Favorability aside, Hillary is the most electable and appealing candidate between the two.
She had very diverse and likely voting demographics.
He has always said he is for abolishing them.
He can't scream democracy yet say 4M people's vote didn't matter.
and if something happened to Hillary, obviously he could just reenter the race 
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