[AccioMiley]

It's sad how people are so obsessed with our sex lives.

[Jackson]

Originally posted by AccioMiley

It's sad how people are so obsessed with our sex lives.

Can I just say when people say homosexuality is just what you do in bed or your sex life? For most of us it involves relationships and being out in public with your boyfriend as well. A little off topic but it has to be said

[shelven]

Originally posted by lilMonsterKayla

You're calling a race/gender similar to a homosexual?

For all intents and purposes, they ARE similar. We don't need to go into the exact specifics of homosexuality to generally agree that whatever the cause, it can't be changed. Neither can gender nor race. So for the sake of this argument, it's a valid comparison. The fact that some differences exist between the topics is irrelevant if those differences don't actually affect the point at hand.

We shouldn't diminish or exclude the reality of a homosexual, but we don't have to agree with somebody being that way. If someone is deeply invested in a relationship with their religion, you're basically saying they have to give it up/adjust it to accept your reality over their own.

See, the argument that accepting homosexuality = them giving up their religion would be valid if it wasn't for the fact that she does things that her religion condemns. She had a child out of wedlock, which is considered a sin. I'm sure she's eaten either pork or some sort of shellfish in her life, and that's considered a sin. Why are THOSE things not her "giving up her relationship with her religion?" Why is it ONLY accepting homosexuality that destroys that supposedly sacred relationship? It's blatant hypocrisy, and I personally cannot stand when people use the religion argument when they don't follow everything their religion tells them to. Feel free to cherrypick things in your religion, but I have every right to come for you when you don't choose things that actually promote acceptance of other people.

[Melvin]

[Mezter]

Originally posted by shelven

See, the argument that accepting homosexuality = them giving up their religion would be valid if it wasn't for the fact that she does things that her religion condemns. She had a child out of wedlock, which is considered a sin. I'm sure she's eaten either pork or some sort of shellfish in her life, and that's considered a sin. Why are THOSE things not her "giving up her relationship with her religion?" Why is it ONLY accepting homosexuality that destroys that supposedly sacred relationship? It's blatant hypocrisy, and I personally cannot stand when people use the religion argument when they don't follow everything their religion tells them to. Feel free to cherrypick things in your religion, but I have every right to come for you when you don't choose things that actually promote acceptance of other people.

Slay! People go outside of what their religion tells them to daily, but when it's something they can't understand, that becomes a problem. We have a right to seethe at these view points

[lilMonsterKayla]

For all intents and purposes, they ARE similar. We don't need to go into the exact specifics of homosexuality to generally agree that whatever the cause, it can't be changed.

Yeahh.. this is manipulating logic.

Google/Youtube ex-gay testimonies, there's even ones of trans people.

" they're lying!"

Okay, you win. (No) Just saying.

[shelven]

Originally posted by lilMonsterKayla

Yeahh.. this is manipulating logic.

Google/Youtube ex-gay testimonies, there's even ones of trans people.

" they're lying!"

Okay, you win. (No) Just saying.

There's really nothing else I can say if you legitimately believe that sexual orientation can be changed just because a handful of people claim in YouTube videos that it happened to them. So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.

[Snoopy]

Originally posted by lilMonsterKayla

Yeahh.. this is manipulating logic.

Google/Youtube ex-gay testimonies, there's even ones of trans people.

" they're lying!"

Okay, you win. (No) Just saying.

Go back to the sandbox that is SYG. You're clearly out of your depth.

[Drais.]

Originally posted by shelven

See, the argument that accepting homosexuality = them giving up their religion would be valid if it wasn't for the fact that she does things that her religion condemns. She had a child out of wedlock, which is considered a sin. I'm sure she's eaten either pork or some sort of shellfish in her life, and that's considered a sin. Why are THOSE things not her "giving up her relationship with her religion?" Why is it ONLY accepting homosexuality that destroys that supposedly sacred relationship? It's blatant hypocrisy, and I personally cannot stand when people use the religion argument when they don't follow everything their religion tells them to. Feel free to cherrypick things in your religion, but I have every right to come for you when you don't choose things that actually promote acceptance of other people.

This is basically what it all boils down to and the reason the lgbt community is up in arms when it comes to religion. So many people always choose what's acceptable and not. Willingly and knowingly committing multiple sins all the time but won't "accept" homosexuality.

It just doesn't make sense honestly.

[lilMonsterKayla]

"if it doesn't match my point of view, it's wrong/doesn't exist!"

There's so many of them, & they're passionate/legitimate/long.

[Tutankhamun]

Originally posted by shelven

See, the argument that accepting homosexuality = them giving up their religion would be valid if it wasn't for the fact that she does things that her religion condemns. She had a child out of wedlock, which is considered a sin. I'm sure she's eaten either pork or some sort of shellfish in her life, and that's considered a sin. Why are THOSE things not her "giving up her relationship with her religion?" Why is it ONLY accepting homosexuality that destroys that supposedly sacred relationship? It's blatant hypocrisy, and I personally cannot stand when people use the religion argument when they don't follow everything their religion tells them to. Feel free to cherrypick things in your religion, but I have every right to come for you when you don't choose things that actually promote acceptance of other people.

Clock a bit
I'm sick of arguing with those people. Every time we expose the double standard of their belief, they'd just go report the thread and have it locked because they just run out of words to defend.

[LovingYourCareer]

Well hey? At least she's not as rampantly hateful as Azealia Banks, Mike Wahlberg, and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

As long as she isn't rampant like, those assholes trying to pass those hate bills in North Carolina and Mississippi right?

[Jackson]

Originally posted by Tutankhamun

Clock a bit
I'm sick of arguing with those people. Every time we expose the double standard of their belief, they'd just go report the thread and have it locked because they just run out of words to defend.

Yet you fail to see the double standard of you demanding acceptance from every last person while failing to accept anyone with different beliefs than yourself
I can't speak for others but that's all I'm saying

[Raphy23]

I'm just shocked that a LaPorsha thread has 17 pages.

[Element]

And they said American Idol had no more impact

[as926]

She certainly has the right to express her limited thoughts on the subject, and seeing as how it stems from how she was raised, I'm not surprised that she feels the way she does. Clearly, it's a matter of education and she does not seem to know much about the gay population or really know any gay people who might actually understand homosexuality themselves.

The bigger issue in conversations like this though is when people try to use a dismissal of a cultural/minority/racial group as a "difference of opinion". She can think what she wants and speak it as loudly or softly as she'd like, but it does not make the general sentiment right or just. It is not a matter of, "Well, I just don't believe X group is equal to the rest of us, so you should respect my thoughts." No, I don't have to respect anything that outright says one group of people is less than another in any way, whether you are a proud Nazi or someone participating -- either outwardly or due to ignorance -- in this form of soft discrimination.

The issue of human equality is not a matter of opinion and all people in the world would do better to realize that as the simple truth it is. If you do not believe that everyone should be born into this world with the same basic rights or if you believe that some people are just born as "less than", your "opinion" is simply another form of bigotry and it's not a matter of discussion at that point. You can still have a strong religious or spiritual foundation while also educating yourself on the historical background and nuances of such topics (I do), but the problem is that people don't want to educate themselves out of such narrow beliefs because it requires too much effort and it's too uncomfortable. People would rather do the easy, lazy thing than think critically and logically, even in regard to their own beliefs.

Originally posted by lilMonsterKayla

"if it doesn't match my point of view, it's wrong/doesn't exist!"

There's so many of them, & they're passionate/legitimate/long.

Because there are "so many" people on YouTube who claim to be cured of their homosexuality, it legitimately cannot be compared to other biological traits like race or sex? There is so much wrong with this statement/insinuation that I can't even begin to take it apart. Needless to say, there is plenty of actual scientific research that has shown that conversion therapy attempts are extremely psychologically harmful, and even more that continues to show that homosexuality is of a biological origin (involving genetics, pre-natal environment, hormones). If you actually made an effort to educate yourself on the matter by referring to statistics and biological research instead of making blanket judgments based on what you see on YouTube, you would know this. Also, I can guarantee you that many people who cling to their beliefs as an excuse to dismiss this illegitimate perceived "reality" of homosexuality that you speak of very likely do not even know much about their own beliefs and the history of their religious literature as it is, or they'd be singing a different tune.

[XIAN]

she will never happen now

[Click Clack]

Originally posted by Brunette Ambition

i dont agree on her fat unhealthy lifestyle either but do you do sis

I ****ing CHOKED

[shelven]

Originally posted by brandnewdrew

She certainly has the right to express her limited thoughts on the subject, and seeing as how it stems from how she was raised, I'm not surprised that she feels the way she does. Clearly, it's a matter of education and she does not seem to know much about the gay population or really know any gay people who might actually understand homosexuality themselves.

The bigger issue in conversations like this though is when people try to use a dismissal of a cultural/minority/racial group as a "difference of opinion". She can think what she wants and speak it as loudly or softly as she'd like, but it does not make the general sentiment right or just. It is not a matter of, "Well, I just don't believe X group is equal to the rest of us, so you should respect my thoughts." No, I don't have to respect anything that outright says one group of people is less than another in any way, whether you are a proud Nazi or someone participating -- either outwardly or due to ignorance -- in this form of soft discrimination.

The issue of human equality is not a matter of opinion and all people in the world would do better to realize that as the simple truth it is. If you do not believe that everyone should be born into this world with the same basic rights or if you believe that some people are just born as "less than", your "opinion" is simply another form of bigotry and it's not a matter of discussion at that point. You can still have a strong religious or spiritual foundation while also educating yourself on the historical background and nuances of such topics (I do), but the problem is that people don't want to educate themselves out of such narrow beliefs because it requires too much effort and it's too uncomfortable. People would rather do the easy, lazy thing than think critically and logically, even in regard to their own beliefs.

Because there are "so many" people on YouTube who claim to be cured of their homosexuality, it legitimately cannot be compared to other biological traits like race or sex? There is so much wrong with this statement/insinuation that I can't even begin to take it apart. Needless to say, there is plenty of actual scientific research that has shown that conversion therapy attempts are extremely psychologically harmful, and even more that continues to show that homosexuality is of a biological origin (involving genetics, pre-natal environment, hormones). If you actually made an effort to educate yourself on the matter by referring to statistics and biological research instead of making blanket judgments based on what you see on YouTube, you would know this. Also, I can guarantee you that many people who cling to their beliefs as an excuse to dismiss this illegitimate perceived "reality" of homosexuality that you speak of very likely do not even know much about their own beliefs and the history of their religious literature as it is, or they'd be singing a different tune.

[rivers]

Originally posted by Raphy23

I'm just shocked that a LaPorsha thread has 17 pages.

Tbh



LaPorsha sis wyd? You come fresh off a tv show and talk about this? She shot herself in the foot. This is sad, really.