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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Marvin
No one should be forced to vote someone they don't want to. You guys can stay mad that some people don't want to play the politics game that's ruined the US.
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Originally posted by Marvin
"Voting for the lesser of two evils" is dumb and I'll never do it. I don't care if my vote is wasted; I'm only going to vote for someone that I truly want to win.
Unfortunately most Americans don't care about this which is why the US quality of life continues to fall behind other developed countries.
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Yes, because lifelong politician Bernie, as someone who has been proven to lie more than Hillary, would fix all of this. 
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Member Since: 1/7/2014
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Originally posted by Bloo
 for Cenk.
Jimmy is a piece of delusional ****. |
Right on.
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Member Since: 1/7/2014
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Originally posted by Bloo
You think I would want to vote for Bernie if he wins he nomination? No. But I would want to vote against Trump or Cruz and I am a lot more comfortable with Bernie overall. I still think he would make a terrible president, personally, but I'd still vote for him. Elections aren't always about conscious and what you want, it's about what's best for the country. It's not a time to be selfish and focused on what you want. You can do that in the primary. You can't in the GE.
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Same here. I love Bernie too, but I am a realist that he isn't the man for the job. However, should he win I will vote for him because I am a democrat.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Bernie is a dreamer. Nothing's wrong with that. That's why he appeals to the younger demographics and the college students. They want to believe he can do what he says he wants to do. But we need to be realistic. He would get nothing significant accomplished as POTUS, especially with a Rep. congress running things. It's not feasible, even if there were a major party change in the Senate.
I don't understand why someone would waste theit vote because Bernie didn't win the primary just to go on and vote for someone else who has the exact opposite principles and ideals. It just goes to show people would rather be petty fans instead of logical, level headed citizens.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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This isn't some reality TV show. This is the future of our country. You have to play dirty, and you sometimes have to vote for the "lesser of two evils". (Even tho Hillary would be an amazing president) I don't like a lot of politicians, but we have to be smart. Everything is strategic in politics, and our current president knows that all too well.
You can't be too stuck up in the ass or nothing will get accomplish. You'll rather be stubborn and let Trump set us back after 8 years of progress, or rally behind the obvious nominee to stop him? It's common sense, and I'm glad most of Americans aren't like you Marvin. At least the Democratic Party which you and your candidate of choice aren't apart of. 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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A vote that isn't going to Hillary is a vote for Trump, 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Emerson Polling
Wisconsin
Cruz 36
Trump 35
Kasich 19
Clinton 50
Sanders 44
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bloo
I'm sorry, but anyone that uses just TYT as their news source should not vote.  |
Are you actually serious with this statement? 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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More from that Emerson Wisconsin Poll: 12% of GOP Primary voters would vote for Clinton in a Trump vs Clinton general election.
Trump has a -44% favoraibility score among GOP primary voters.
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by MiaBella
Bernie is a dreamer. Nothing's wrong with that. That's why he appeals to the younger demographics and the college students. They want to believe he can do what he says he wants to do. But we need to be realistic. He would get nothing significant accomplished as POTUS, especially with a Rep. congress running things. It's not feasible, even if there were a major party change in the Senate.
I don't understand why someone would waste theit vote because Bernie didn't win the primary just to go on and vote for someone else who has the exact opposite principles and ideals. It just goes to show people would rather be petty fans instead of logical, level headed citizens.
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These people who want Bernie and don't want it any other way are the same people who bitch about politicians taking money from special interest groups yet are completely fine with taking taxpayer money without a trace of guilt. These are people who fail to see the bigger picture and rather vote against their best interest so they can do a "protest vote" as Rolling Stone called it. It's sad. It's pathetic. It's disgraceful.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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The "lesser of two evils" concept, and rejection of it, only exists if you're an independent centrist. Let's just be 100% here. If you're a clear liberal (i.e. 99% of Sanders supporters), then rejecting that notion in order to vote for Stein or write in Bernie is only taking a vote away from Hillary and giving Trump that much more leverage. Yeah, it sucks, and yeah, you can say it's ruined our country. But that's the way it is, and noncompliance is NOT, in this particular election, the way to fix it.
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Wisconsin is going to join Michigan/Missouri to form the trinity of nail biters.
Also, is there an actual reason why Bernie fares better in causes and Hillary in primaries?
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Also, I got a true kii the other day when I read a democrat saying he wouldn't be switching to independent if Bernie wasn't the nominee because he hates the direction the party is heading...I think he fails to realize that Bernie switched from Independent to Democrat to be taken seriously as a candidate. 
I fear this is the kind of thinking majority of those crazy, die hards have. No better than Trump supporters except less bigoted.
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Originally posted by YSL
Wisconsin is going to join Michigan/Missouri to form the trinity of nail biters.
Also, is there an actual reason why Bernie fares better in causes and Hillary in primaries? |
I think - from my experience as an Iowa voter - the caucus system is more, as Hillary herself has put it, a "creature of the parties' extremes." It tends to be more welcoming to groups of more liberal or more radical people, who can effectively drown out the other side in the case that their precinct only awards one delegate or if particular precincts have viability thresholds. Tiebreaking rules added in, and you have a potential overwealming advantage for one side. The more passionate side is willing to show up and wait several hours to go through the process; the less passionate side sees it as a monumental time waste compared to just popping in to drop off a ballot, as in a primary.
Now that's not to say Hillary's side of the party lacks passion - their triumph over the massively invested, enthusiastic Iowa Sanders supporters proves that. On average, though, there's no Hillarymania going on.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by The Countess
Emerson Polling
Wisconsin
Cruz 36
Trump 35
Kasich 19
Clinton 50
Sanders 44
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Clinton and Trump. Both are needed victories. (Well more so for Trump since NY will wipe out any Wisconsin lost for Hillary)
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Originally posted by The Countess
More from that Emerson Wisconsin Poll: 12% of GOP Primary voters would vote for Clinton in a Trump vs Clinton general election.
Trump has a -44% favoraibility score among GOP primary voters.
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Slay GOP. Knock Trump out. Not that it would matter since Wisconsin has always voted blue.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Any Bernie fan needs to understand that as of now, Hillary is ahead by 300 pledged delegates (not including her 500 superdelegates). If thats not impressive to you, she has a 2,552,267 POPULAR vote lead over Bernie. It would be absolutely ridiculous to think that Bernie could surpass either of these margins. It's time for the democrats to come together and support Hillary.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by YSL
Also, I got a true kii the other day when I read a democrat saying he wouldn't be switching to independent if Bernie wasn't the nominee because he hates the direction the party is heading...I think he fails to realize that Bernie switched from Independent to Democrat to be taken seriously as a candidate.
I fear this is the kind of thinking majority of those crazy, die hards have. No better than Trump supporters except less bigoted. |
What bothers me about this is that the party is "heading" in a more liberal direction, in reality. That's why Bernie exists within this primary to begin with. The original Clinton administration may not have taken us to more liberal places, but the Obama administration and the next Clinton one sure as hell will. I'd argue that a Hillary presidency with House and Senate support (as if lol) would be more liberal than the Obama administration originally was in many ways, and part of that is owed to the rise of people like Warren and the simple passage of time.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Are you actually serious with this statement? |
Yes. Using any one source results in being uninformed and I quite frankly have little respect for uninformed votes. They count the same, sure. But, I simply don't respect them. I think everyone should try to be as informed as possible by paying attention to different sources and perspectives. I watch TYT occasionally, despite fervently hating them, because sometimes they propose an idea or a perspective no one else will mention.
But, using just TYT, of all sources, as your only way to get information is pure ignorance. They're an extremely biased "news" medium.
You may disagree with me, and that's fine, but I'm just very strong on people being informed before they vote.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Clinton and Sanders will need to have a loooong talk after all this is over in order to avoid a rupture. I am hoping Clinton is willing to compromise her "pragmatic" agenda and she gives a nice, influential position to Sanders.
This is a more antagonistic primary than Clinton / Obama in ideological grounds.
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Originally posted by Melquiades
Clinton and Sanders will need to have a loooong talk after all this is over in order to avoid a rupture. I am hoping Clinton is willing to compromise her "pragmatic" agenda and she gives a nice, influential position to Sanders.
This is a more antagonistic primary than Clinton / Obama in ideological grounds.
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That would be ideal.
If they could find a middle ground that'd be great because I think Bernie isn't realistic enough and Clinton isn't thinking big enough.
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