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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Damien M
I saw that poll too, its up on Politico.
Cruz and Kasich beat Hillary and Bernie in Utah by like 50+ points in the GE
But if Trump is the nominee the state goes blue.
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Oh yeah I forgot about that, it's Trump  .
@Phoenix actually Sanders is expected to win, at least state wise. He's favored in 2/3 and could possibly win 3/3 (I believe strongly she takes AZ though). Haven't checked the delegates for them but it's not out of the realm of possibility she wins the delegate count. Wouldn't count on it though. So he is expected to win the day
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Originally posted by PhoeniX~
Is Hillary expected to win this coming Super Tuesday?
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Hillary will win Arizona. Bernie will win Utah and Idaho. Although Hillary has pulled a few upsets this past week so.....
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Well call me whatever you want on this issue, but if the Democratic Party is fine . With what the Democratic Party does and does not do, then yes your opinion does not really change anything.
You can have your opinion on super delegates, but it's by far the least of our worries.
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This response terribly disgusts me. I have never been faced with such treatment simply for not being American.
I'm sorry if I bothered you, carry on with your day.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
They aren't pointless. They are a last resort to stop someone who they fear will ruin their party or won't win against the opponent. For example a Democratic version of Trump.....
And many voters don't even care that much about it. Bernie tried it with that establishment talk, and guess who's winning the those delegates and nomination...Guess what president has a 51 approval rating.... List goes on.
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If the GOP had super delegates and used it to stop Trump, then that would backfire resulting in Trump likely running a 3rd party.
The Party reaps what it sows. The Dems aren't going to get a racist demagogue as the front runner, because minorities make up a huge share of the Democratic base. Unless there is another major shift of political values. That's unlikely going to result in policies/politicians that are against minorities, since they are increasing becoming a larger share of the population. Eventually, both parties will have to cater to minorities just like they both compete for working class whites. This may be decades down the road, but it is inevitable.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Wait you're not even American.  Wow how can I even argue with someone who's not even apart of our political system?  And you wouldn't be a Democrat, but are pro-voter rights?  Do your research. PLEASE! Because you are sadly mistaken if you think you could be anything else in America with that view. |
So people outside of the US can't comment and debate the US Political System? What a bizarre thing to say.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
This response terribly disgusts me. I have never been faced with such treatment simply for not being American.
I'm sorry if I bothered you, carry on with your day.
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Im disgusted as well. I've never seen such ignorance in my life. America is probably the most powerful nation on Earth. What they do affects every single Country, especially their close allies and their main enemies. Of course people outside the US can comment and debate the US Political System. I'm from the UK, and no one has ever said that to me before. What a narrow-minded view to have.
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Well call me whatever you want on this issue, but if the Democratic Party is fine with what the Democratic Party does and does not do, then yes your opinion does not really change anything.
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I stand by what I said.  I didn't say people in other countries can't comment.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Im disgusted as well. I've never seen such ignorance in my life. America is probably the most powerful nation on Earth. What they do affects every single Country, especially their close allies and their main enemies. Of course people outside the US can comment and debate the US Political System. I'm from the UK, and no one has ever said that to me before. What a narrow-minded view to have.
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You're from the UK? You might've said that before but I forgot. You have a lot of good knowledge about our system 
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I stand by what I said. I didn't say people in other countries can't comment. |
I was trying to have a genuine discussion about a country that truly interests me and a system I am passionate about. I wouldn't have said anything if I knew my opinions and beliefs would be disregarded in that sense because of my nationality.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I was trying to have a genuine discussion about a country that truly interests me and a system I am passionate about. I wouldn't have said anything if I knew my opinions and beliefs would be disregarded in that sense because of my nationality.
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Noooo. Now I feel really bad. I didn't mean to offend you like that. I was actually shocked when you said you were not from America, and it did catch me off guard because I just feel strongly about the two-parties (which I know some of you disagree with). I thought you were a registered Democrat. I don't really like when an outsider comes in and tries to change things that the party does and it comfortable with for the most part of doing. It's one of the main reasons why I don't like Bernie running as a Democrat since he has been so anti-Democrat, pro-Independent for decades.
But you have brought a lot to this thread so I hope this doesn't change the way you are engaged in here. You have every right to state your opinions.
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I've given up on using Facebook for any political info. More of than not, it's ********.
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Bernie's advisors (namely Tad Devine) came up with the Superdelegate system. Take it up with him.
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Slowly all through the end of March and the beginning of April, the delusional teens that support Bernie will start claiming that he will take the nomination just because he'll probably win more states than Hillary from this point until NY, even though I doubt he'll even shorten her lead under 250 delegates
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Originally posted by RatedG²
You're from the UK? You might've said that before but I forgot. You have a lot of good knowledge about our system |
Thanks! I'm generally more interested in the US Political System than the UK's. It's much more interesting.
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Originally posted by TheLastChord
Slowly all through the end of March and the beginning of April, the delusional teens that support Bernie will start claiming that he will take the nomination just because he'll probably win more states than Hillary from this point until NY, even though I doubt he'll even shorten her lead under 250 delegates
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She current leads by over 300. As long as he's not destroying her to the point where she's becoming non-viable/barely viable then she should have at least a 250 delegate lead (a low estimate tbh, she could still have more) on Bernie by the time New York comes. From there on he HAS to (and I mean has to) not only win it, but win it by 30 points to have a chance. If he loses NY it becomes mathematically impossible to catch her in pledged. If she battles him hard in these contests and takes more than two-three it also becomes impossible to overtake her
It's do or die mathematically for him
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In b4 something terribly bad happens to Hillary and she insults all Californians, and California gives all 475 delegates to Bernie and he wins the nomination. That's literally the only way he could win!
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I got to meet president Clinton today  I got an official photograph with him and he thanked me for volunteering that man is star!!! Our faves could never
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Originally posted by Cheetos
I got to meet president Clinton today I got an official photograph with him and he thanked me for volunteering that man is star!!! Our faves could never |
Wait why did I read the first part and think of Hillary. Yeah I really have in my mind her being president already.  But slay at you meeting President Clinton 1.
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Originally posted by Cheetos
I got to meet president Clinton today I got an official photograph with him and he thanked me for volunteering that man is star!!! Our faves could never |
Good lord, I would pass out!! Will you post the picture??? Pllleeeaassseeee post it
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Wait you're not even American. Wow how can I even argue with someone who's not even apart of our political system? And you wouldn't be a Democrat, but are pro-voter rights? Do your research. PLEASE! Because you are sadly mistaken if you think you could be anything else in America with that view. |
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
You do realize that any person can be an..... independent voter, right? 
And what do you mean by "you're not even American"? I was part of "your" political system for an entire year (and yes, you can still argue with me without me being "part of your political system"). |
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Originally posted by Citrus
It doesn't matter where someone is from, they can have a valid opinion on an event going on somewhere else. My specialization is Middle Eastern studies, but I live in the United States - is it fair for someone to tell me "Oh, you don't even live in Iran, your opinion doesn't matter"? No, and the same logic applies here.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Thank you. I was actually a bit offended by what they said, granted I know more about American politics that most Americans do.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I stand by what I said. I didn't say people in other countries can't comment. |
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I was trying to have a genuine discussion about a country that truly interests me and a system I am passionate about. I wouldn't have said anything if I knew my opinions and beliefs would be disregarded in that sense because of my nationality.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Noooo. Now I feel really bad. I didn't mean to offend you like that. I was actually shocked when you said you were not from America, and it did catch me off guard because I just feel strongly about the two-parties (which I know some of you disagree with). I thought you were a registered Democrat. I don't really like when an outsider comes in and tries to change things that the party does and it comfortable with for the most part of doing. It's one of the main reasons why I don't like Bernie running as a Democrat since he has been so anti-Democrat, pro-Independent for decades.
But you have brought a lot to this thread so I hope this doesn't change the way you are engaged in here. You have every right to state your opinions.
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While I'm glad that this seems to have come to a resolution, I just want to say that I've really enjoyed hecking's perspective and his contributions to this conversation as the primary season has drawn on. While it matters little where anyone is from, let's remember too that he's spent a significant amount of time here and is obviously very interested in and passionate about American politics, and that's a great thing!
Also, @hecking, I feel like you'd be Green Party above anything else, just my own analysis 
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