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News: Shootings/explosion in Paris
Member Since: 8/27/2012
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Originally posted by Jicky
As 10 percent of France is Muslim who's family is from mainly Algeria,
I would not be surprised the next thing is confirmed is his Muslim religion.
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I wouldn't be surprised either. I think it is highly possible. But it shows that it is a homegrown problem and not only a problem caused by the terrorists that enter the country with the refugees.
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Member Since: 8/27/2012
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It's funny how non of the rich Gulf states (whom live under Sharia-lite laws) even think about accepting refugees. Is it a surprise when there are many ISIS sypamthisers living in those very countries?
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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I think Islam is going through their "dark" period just like Christianity did centuries ago. Historically, Christians were much more violent and intolerant--the only difference is that the law supported their antics. I wonder would the same people who are pro-Muslim eradication say the same thing about Christians, seeing as they aren't violent today.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Dutch police is currently investigating this.
They just kept an aircraft from departing to paris cuz there was a bomb threat.
Extra controls in the airport gates and ambulance/ fire department is on stand by.
So scary...
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by Superiore
I am so disgusted by all the loads of people I hear saying all Muslims are the cause of this. More than a billion of people who happen to have a different religious belief are ALL terrorists and all believe to the foolishness of the tiny, in comparison, group of extremists that's the ISIS, according to these ones. What's worse is that whenever I try to explain this to others, they're like "eh.. they're all the same". ****ing unbelievable. Especially when I remind them that Crusades and Inquisition and "witches" burned at the stake existed too and that group of Christians had even a bigger following than IS. I don't get why they're so stubborn on being this ignorant. If ALL Muslims were terrorists (they're almost 1.5 billion people, am I right?), I don't think any other religions would be still existing in the way it is. Get some sense!
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The Crusades and the Inquisition were not terrorism, though. The Crusades were defensive wars against Muslims' aggression who were on their course to conquer Europe at that time. And the Inquisition was actually the fairest tribunal court in the Middle Ages. It was superior to the secular courts at that time. They're not in any way comparable to Islamic terrorism that's happening today.
Actually, terrorism is about political ideology. The only way religion gets involved in it is when it is mixed into politics that's why news of Christian terrorism is so rare nowadays despite Christianity having the most followers of all religions whereas majority of terror attacks that happened in the last 8 decades have jihadism as its political ideology, all because Islam itself, unlike other religions, is a political religion.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Nialler
A significant percentage of them is very honest about their support of the Islamic State actions but you cannot do anything to them because we have freedom of speech. Moreover, no one says all of them are ISIS, that would be a very stupid thing to say, but just a few is enough because they recruit within the country they get to and the EU opened the borders to everyone. Plus the fact that you had to resort to personal attacks shows you have no valid arguments, typical for an angry blinded liberal. |
Well, I remember you from the refugee thread and you posted one racist, xenophic post after another.
Angry blinded liberal, is that a new thing? Like SJWs? 
The fact that some of you want to demonize ''angry blinded liberals'' and truly believe that you are the one that is enlighted or knows what is exactly going on, SCARES ME. people like that would have voted for Hitler decades ago. People never learn, it seems. 
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by vamp
They're not all extremists, but that doesn't mean that they don't support ISIS.
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I don't, my family doesn't and no muslim I know does.
Some of you people need to get a some common sense. Very, very few muslims in Europe, North America etc support the ideas of the ISIS. Why? Because most muslims live a rather western life.
They want to be safe, they want to keep their jobs, get educated and make a living in a safe surrounding. No muslims I know (and my family members are cultural muslims not religious) supports the ideas of ISIS. NONE! I know, a real SHOCKER for you.
Besides, do you know for instance that the ISIS also targets muslims as well? In their ranking of enemies, way above the Americans, French and even above the Jews, are the Shias which are round 10-15 % of the overall muslim population worldwide.
Everybody I have heard of is deeply shocked by this and supports the French people. So many lives were lost. This is an incredibly sad day.
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Member Since: 12/3/2010
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I have two friends who just got to Paris on Thursday, thank god they are okay! But they were lost in the city while all this was happening, terrifying.
R.I.P. to all the victims, sending my love to Paris! 
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by kyogul
I think Islam is going through their "dark" period just like Christianity did centuries ago. Historically, Christians were much more violent and intolerant--the only difference is that the law supported their antics. I wonder would the same people who are pro-Muslim eradication say the same thing about Christians, seeing as they aren't violent today.
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Not really. Islam was not really any better than Christianity, its entire history is forged in conquest and expansionism. If anything Isis more accurately emulate their ancestors and the original Islamic movement.
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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It does not matter what other Muslims try to say in order to broker peace. We are assuming ISIS are rational actors that have a 21st century view of how the world operates. Sadly, they do not. They are irrational actors who have deluded themselves with the idea that they are rational. Their objectives and methods are ones that will not be solved from soft diplomacy or smart diplomacy. As much as I hate to admit it, the only way to stop these people are through pure force and rigorous surveillance.
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Member Since: 9/14/2010
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Originally posted by I'mRihannaFan
Nobody says all Muslims are extremists, but most of extremists act in the name of Allah, it's fact.
Said that, nobody can blame the while Muslim community, it's stupid.
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No - they act in the name of Allah who is not the same Allah as the one Muslims that you or I know in person.
We respectfully categorise them as Muslims because they have similar views, but they have different practices.
ISIS is fighting for Muslims to become one unity - and that's exactly what people are thinking, case proven above.
We're literally falling into their propaganda like sheep and it's reallyyyyyyy starting to piss me off.
How many people must die for the non-Muslim community to even comprehend the situation like any smart person should?
It'll be far too late at this rate, but I count my blessings we have good people running our countries at the moment.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Europe should be for people who believe in our ideologies nobody but them should be alowed in. America has been practicing this for some time now, very successfully.
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Member Since: 8/27/2012
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Originally posted by *Tim
Yet on one of the terrorists that blew themselves up a Syrian passport was found
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N24 said it's a fake passport. Havent checked their source tho.
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by Miichael
I have two friends who just got to Paris on Thursday, thank god they are okay! But they were lost in the city while all this was happening, terrifying.
R.I.P. to all the victims, sending my love to Paris! |
I can only imagine how scary it would be for someone who is a tourist and not familiar with how to get around Paris. I checked in with my Parisian friend last night and he said him and his boyfriend go to that theater quite often, so I was very relieved that he was visiting his family in the countryside. Hope everyone else's family/friends are safe.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by J a y
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... If you seriously believe that the Ayatollah and the presidents of many of these other countries in which Sharia law dominates don't support these attacks than you're just willingly contributing to ignorance. These leaders HATE the west and have been oppressing and indoctrinating their people for decades causing Al Qaeda causing ISIS causing the Taliban. They support these attacks behind close doors and their actions throughout history have made it quite obvious. The peaceful muslims living within these countries have no say. They have no rights. Its complete theocratic dictatorships and they are DESTROYING the world with terrorism. There is no excuse. The world knows who the evil people are and if you seriously think every innocent Muslim is just being blamed left and right you're wrong. However the Muslim people whom act as bystanders when they witness this radicalization of young people ARE contributing to the problem.
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Member Since: 11/22/2009
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Originally posted by ontherocks
I don't, my family doesn't and no muslim I know does.
Some of you people need to get a some common sense. Very, very few muslims in Europe, North America etc support the ideas of the ISIS. Why? Because most muslims live a rather western life.
They want to be safe, they want to keep their jobs, get educated and make a living in a safe surrounding. No muslims I know (and my family members are cultural muslims not religious) supports the ideas of ISIS. NONE! I know, a real SHOCKER for you.
Besides, do you know for instance that the ISIS also targets muslims as well? In their ranking of enemies, way above the Americans, French and even above the Jews, are the Shias which are round 10-15 % of the overall muslim population worldwide.
Everybody I have heard of is deeply shocked by this and supports the French people. So many lives were lost. This is an incredibly sad day.
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Sure, but have you ever been in an islamic country before? I'm not saying that all of them support ISIS either, but I'm sure many of them do which is what happened in Paris recently and also in Australia, and in Israel. Notice how peaceful it is in their own countries. Oh right maybe that's because they eradicated all the other religions except for themselves.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Superiore
I am so disgusted by all the loads of people I hear saying all Muslims are the cause of this. More than a billion of people who happen to have a different religious belief are ALL terrorists and all believe to the foolishness of the tiny, in comparison, group of extremists that's the ISIS, according to these ones. What's worse is that whenever I try to explain this to others, they're like "eh.. they're all the same". ****ing unbelievable. Especially when I remind them that Crusades and Inquisition and "witches" burned at the stake existed too and that group of Christians had even a bigger following than IS. I don't get why they're so stubborn on being this ignorant. If ALL Muslims were terrorists (they're almost 1.5 billion people, am I right?), I don't think any other religions would be still existing in the way it is. Get some sense!
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the fact that you need to compare something that happened in the 12th century to the things that Islam fanatics are doing today is just  stop playing the all Muslims card, eight is enough for a tragedy like this to happen and it's time to start addressing the facts as they are
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Member Since: 9/2/2012
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Reminder that Muslims does not equal Isis and that Isis has killed and bombed plenty of Muslims. Just wanted to put this hear as I see a lot of hate being thrown around
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Member Since: 10/2/2011
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Originally posted by fabbriche
The Crusades and the Inquisition were not terrorism, though. The Crusades were defensive wars against Muslims' aggression who were on their course to conquer Europe at that time. And the Inquisition was actually the fairest tribunal court in the Middle Ages. It was superior to the secular courts at that time. They're not in any way comparable to Islamic terrorism that's happening today.
Actually, terrorism is about political ideology. The only way religion gets involved in it is when it is mixed into politics that's why news of Christian terrorism is so rare nowadays despite Christianity having the most followers of all religions whereas majority of terror attacks that happened in the last 8 decades have jihadism as its political ideology, all because Islam itself, unlike other religions, is a political religion. |
Ok, tell that to the THOUSANDS of innocent people who got killed in that age just because they disagreed with the view of things imposed by the Church. There wasn't any freedom of expression back then. Christianity hasn't always been like today.
Anyway, the fact that some of us are showing you your ignorance doesn't mean we don't care about the victims of last night. That has no correlation whatsoever and they're just lies adding upon lies to increase the thought according to the one that the ones of us who defended the 99%+ of Muslims who have nothing to share with IS but the name of their God are immediately cold-hearted people who didn't care about the massacre that happened. WE CARE. WE CRIED. WE'RE MOURNING. But that still doesn't have to allow your ignorance. That's exactly what the IS wants.
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