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News: Migrant crisis in EU: AUT to build fence on border with SLO
Member Since: 8/7/2012
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Originally posted by Alpha
all 4 of them? oh no ...
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you are wrong. around 40% of migrants are well educated or have the qualification that german labour market needs. Also they have money ( just calculate how much they have paid to get to greece , from greec to macedonia, from macedonia to serbia and then to croatia ( from croatia everything is free for them - transport, food, meds ect but just to get to croatian border from serbia they need to pay from 50€ and up  )
i think we are in the 2nd phase of migration , the 1st was full of ppl that could afford the migration and they were educated. this phase is the mixed one ( the ones that are poor and the ones that still have money or skills ). The 3rd phase will be the worst
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Originally posted by Rihab95
As much as I'd love to see that, it's just not going to happen. 
Her party has barely lost a percent point since the 2013 elections and it's virtually the most 'conservative' of all parties, so who would Germans vote for if they're against her views on refugees? 
Democrats, Greens and Lefties would start picking up refugees at home in Syria, give them business class tickets to Berlin and fatten them like pigs if Merkel let them. |
I know her party will probably remain number 1, but don't you don't think her coalition could pick another PM sometime in the near future?
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
you are wrong. around 40% of migrants are well educated or have the qualification that german labour market needs.
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which is?
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Member Since: 8/7/2012
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
which is?
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skills that every modern economy needs in western world and nativs don't want to work that jobs like factory workers, workers in health care system ( doctors, nurses, midwives, therapists ect ) , physical workers ( they will have to compete with Bosniaks for this one  ) ect
europe is aging honey
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
Merkel told to croatian PM to sent military to the border with Serbia but he said no 
No pasarán Fatima Merkel !
Fake german humanitarianism. Speaking to the media one story and doing the other way behind political bargaining and blackmail
Just wait and see when Germany takes all educated migrants and others sent to Poland, Hungary, Croatia, SLovenia ect ( every eastern EU country  ) |
They won't stay in those countries cause the standards of living is much lower then what they anticipated coming over.
Now ofc they aren't all bad and a big group needs help but there is a saying here in the Netherlands that goes "opportunity makes the thief" which is true and said before. When Germany gave the green light, it was the sign to pack up and go, Syrian or not.
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
They won't stay in those countries cause the standards of living is much lower then what they anticipated coming over.
Now ofc they aren't all bad and a big group needs help but there is a saying here in the Netherlands that goes "opportunity makes the thief" which is true and said before. When Germany gave the green light, it was the sign to pack up and go, Syrian or not.
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I know but that's the reasuon why germany and some others are pushing quotas they will take the biggest amount of migrants that they need , but the rest will be "shared" with quotas
what pisses me off is that germans are two faced in this story. Merkel gave them a green light and germans said " we should solidarise with them" but behind the media they are pushing other countires to take drastic measures to stop the flow and making them look bad.
Austria is doing the same. They are judging Hungary and presenting themselves like an opend minded / tolerant place but now when they are also facing with migrants they are pressing hungary and croatia agains the wall to stop the migrant flow and they are scared if germany closes it's borders because if germany does that they will sent migrants back to hungary, croatia and serbia. They are all two faced. Putting the mask of civilized western world while having theirs fingers crossed behind the back
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
skills that every modern economy needs in western world and nativs don't want to work that jobs like factory workers, workers in health care system ( doctors, nurses, midwives, therapists ect ) , physical workers ( they will have to compete with Bosniaks for this one ) ect
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Only work in health requires education and I doubt there's a significant number of doctors among these migrants
Almost anyone can do physical work
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it is sad that people don't understand what is happening. I didnt even complain by stating the numbers.. 230k of refugees in September is amazing actually. It is amazing when 2-3-4 million people are still coming or already here, but nobody except for Germany and the Nordics treat them humanly.
as we have seen after WW2, Germany could take in millions of people and make the best of it. But even with this so-called invitation there is no reason why Germany has to take all of them when it is part of a "political" Union which consists of more states, half of which are dependent on German money, oh excuse me, money from Brussels.
Germany welcomes refugees but that doesnt mean that no other country needs to get involved, because they already are. This crisis has shown us that European countries cannot work together.. on nothing...
they cannot work together on the refugees crisis
- because 2/3 of EU memberstates are open fachists (imo)
they cannot work together to solve the EURO crisis
- because only 2-3 Euro countries have realized that the whole project is unfinished and needs a monetary/fiscal/budge union to work...but what country want to give up the power for deciding all their finances? I mean except for Germany.
all that i read here is about countries that play the victim card... and villify Germany... always the aggressor right? It suits the countries, because creating artifical enemies by partitioning the world in "us" vs. "them" is a great bonding measure. It helps to make decisions which are backward in spirit and action. It helps failing governments to create a false sentiment of endangerment.
But I get it... most of you still see yourselves as victims... victims of a bully, victim from pressure from outside.. but you never look inside... because in reality y'all are victims of your own thinking.
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Originally posted by stevyy
it is sad that people don't understand what is happening. I didnt even complain by stating the numbers.. 230k of refugees in September is amazing actually. It is amazing when 2-3-4 million people are still coming or already here, but nobody except for Germany and the Nordics treat them humanly.
as we have seen after WW2, Germany could take in millions of people and make the best of it. But even with this so-called invitation there is no reason why Germany has to take all of them when it is part of a "political" Union which consists of more states, half of which are dependent on German money, oh excuse me, money from Brussels.
Germany welcomes refugees but that doesnt mean that no other country needs to get involved, because they already are. This crisis has shown us that European countries cannot work together.. on nothing...
they cannot work together on the refugees crisis
- because 2/3 of EU memberstates are open fachists (imo)
they cannot work together to solve the EURO crisis
- because only 2-3 Euro countries have realized that the whole project is unfinished and needs a monetary/fiscal/budge union to work...but what country want to give up the power for deciding all their finances? I mean except for Germany.
all that i read here is about countries that play the victim card... and villify Germany... always the aggressor right? It suits the countries, because creating artifical enemies by partitioning the world in "us" vs. "them" is a great bonding measure. It helps to make decisions which are backward in spirit and action. It helps failing governments to create a false sentiment of endangerment.
But I get it... most of you still see yourselves as victims... victims of a bully, victim from pressure from outside.. but you never look inside... because in reality y'all are victims of your own thinking.
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If you blow your load before actually agreeing on anything this is what happens, you end up shooting your own foot.
The EU thing was a good idea and for the west the Euro is a great thing but you need to stop thinking as purely a westener. Slavs are just different and it's so easy to say "oh why just don't you do it like us" when you need the East to co-operate but it doesn't work that way.
The east is stable for 2 decades while the west is 30 years ahead, they need to catch up but are given no time cause the west needs them to act RIGHT NOW in the terms the west wants them to.
West Europe has gotten the time to do it on their own terms but they not allowing the "newer" EU countries to do the same.
It's like trying to shove a triangle through a round hole, now the west is trying to ram it through and it just will not fit!
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by stevyy
it is sad that people don't understand what is happening. I didnt even complain by stating the numbers.. 230k of refugees in September is amazing actually. It is amazing when 2-3-4 million people are still coming or already here, but nobody except for Germany and the Nordics treat them humanly.
as we have seen after WW2, Germany could take in millions of people and make the best of it. But even with this so-called invitation there is no reason why Germany has to take all of them when it is part of a "political" Union which consists of more states, half of which are dependent on German money, oh excuse me, money from Brussels.
Germany welcomes refugees but that doesnt mean that no other country needs to get involved, because they already are. This crisis has shown us that European countries cannot work together.. on nothing...
they cannot work together on the refugees crisis
- because 2/3 of EU memberstates are open fachists (imo)
they cannot work together to solve the EURO crisis
- because only 2-3 Euro countries have realized that the whole project is unfinished and needs a monetary/fiscal/budge union to work...but what country want to give up the power for deciding all their finances? I mean except for Germany.
all that i read here is about countries that play the victim card... and villify Germany... always the aggressor right? It suits the countries, because creating artifical enemies by partitioning the world in "us" vs. "them" is a great bonding measure. It helps to make decisions which are backward in spirit and action. It helps failing governments to create a false sentiment of endangerment.
But I get it... most of you still see yourselves as victims... victims of a bully, victim from pressure from outside.. but you never look inside... because in reality y'all are victims of your own thinking.
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Next time ask your Bundeskanzlerin if she consulted anyone when she decided to invite half the middle east. But you will never own up to a mistake, you are a German right?
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Member Since: 8/7/2012
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
Only work in health requires education and I doubt there's a significant number of doctors among these migrants
Almost anyone can do physical work
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you didn't read well. I gave just some examples and aslo as i said they are willing to do jobs that nativs don't want to do. they are prepared to go to schools just so they can work as nurses, factory workers ect ( and believe me countries like sweeden is sponsoring them to become that)
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Originally posted by stevyy
it is sad that people don't understand what is happening. I didnt even complain by stating the numbers.. 230k of refugees in September is amazing actually. It is amazing when 2-3-4 million people are still coming or already here, but nobody except for Germany and the Nordics treat them humanly.
as we have seen after WW2, Germany could take in millions of people and make the best of it. But even with this so-called invitation there is no reason why Germany has to take all of them when it is part of a "political" Union which consists of more states, half of which are dependent on German money, oh excuse me, money from Brussels.
Germany welcomes refugees but that doesnt mean that no other country needs to get involved, because they already are. This crisis has shown us that European countries cannot work together.. on nothing...
they cannot work together on the refugees crisis
- because 2/3 of EU memberstates are open fachists (imo)
they cannot work together to solve the EURO crisis
- because only 2-3 Euro countries have realized that the whole project is unfinished and needs a monetary/fiscal/budge union to work...but what country want to give up the power for deciding all their finances? I mean except for Germany.
all that i read here is about countries that play the victim card... and villify Germany... always the aggressor right? It suits the countries, because creating artifical enemies by partitioning the world in "us" vs. "them" is a great bonding measure. It helps to make decisions which are backward in spirit and action. It helps failing governments to create a false sentiment of endangerment.
But I get it... most of you still see yourselves as victims... victims of a bully, victim from pressure from outside.. but you never look inside... because in reality y'all are victims of your own thinking.
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Bold is just the point you contradict yourself. U are talking about how others are blaming germany , that we need to be more european ( fiscally and in any other way ) ect but then state that EU is Germany ! So what EU says means what Germany says and when you don't like that ( like with migrants ) then you rewrite the story 
And guess you don't know your history because devastated germany , cities in ruins , poor moral of germans and tons and tons of US money that was provided by marshall plan was the reason germany needed migrants. This situation is different and that's why Merkel is calling PMs like Orban,Milanovic and other to stop migrant flows to sent military ect. That's the rason why Germany is pushing quotas.
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And yes i have to say that i couldn't imagine atrlers are capable of debating anything else other than pop stars. It may seem like figthing but it's not. i like this debate because we can hear different opinions of europeans that are interested in this.
thumbs up and keep on
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
you didn't read well. I gave just some examples and aslo as i said they are willing to do jobs that nativs don't want to do. they are prepared to go to schools just so they can work as nurses, factory workers ect ( and believe me countries like sweeden is sponsoring them to become that)
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are they?
are they really?
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
you didn't read well. I gave just some examples and aslo as i said they are willing to do jobs that nativs don't want to do. they are prepared to go to schools just so they can work as nurses, factory workers ect ( and believe me countries like sweeden is sponsoring them to become that)
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Well sure but what is the percentage that wants to integrate is much more important. Look at the women that many times are being kept at home. They tossed away their documents or not sure if they got them even. Sponsoring is great but what is the success rate of that vs the costs?
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
Well sure but what is the percentage that wants to integrate is much more important. Look at the women that many times are being kept at home. They tossed away their documents or not sure if they got them even. Sponsoring is great but what is the success rate of that vs the costs?
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The success rate is quite good. Just look at migrants from ex yugoslavia. Sweeden at that time had good policy because they have provided them education,language courses , some kind of pocket money while they are learning all that and after few months or a year-two they started to contribute to sociaty. I think it's the same in GER.
The only problem is that these migrants are arab and not european but i think that they want to work, they want to integrate and become part of the sociaty they live in.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
they want to work, they want to integrate and become part of the sociaty they live in.
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Do they?
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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well tbh germany did kinda invite everyone on without at least consulting the countries the refugees/migrants would have to cross in advance. also idk about eu countries but here in switzerland eu things eg greece drama which has been going on for ages it is usually presented as merkel (used to be merkel-sarkozy) being the one pushing things in the direction they see fit (deflation in a way) and you don't hear the opinion of dno the dutch prime minister or anyone like that really. in fact i couldn't even tell you the name of the dutch prime minister without googling. so in a way at least in the media germany is portrayed as the "leader" of the EU. however other countries have some pride too and it's a democracy so i am not surprised at there being some kind of anti merkel feel in the EU i don't see how anyone can. that being said those "adolf merkel" kinda signs that they had in greece were disgusting. in the end i just hope all of this won't get the npd over the 5% mark csuse that would be disgusting.
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Member Since: 3/17/2011
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
I know her party will probably remain number 1, but don't you don't think her coalition could pick another PM sometime in the near future?
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Her party knows they're only No.1 thanks to her, so no one really dares to question her as the chancellor let alone talk about her successor. 
The fact that they're screwed without her becomes obvious in state elections cause she can't help them in those. Only 5 out of 16 federal states are currently governed by her party (that number will shrink to 3 or 4 next year), which gives you a pretty good idea of how much power they'd have without her.
I don't see her getting replaced until SHE decides it's time to go. My guess is she'll run again in 2017, win and then hand office to Von Der Leyen in the middle of the legislative period (so around 2019). The refugee crisis will hardly stay relevant until then.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
The success rate is quite good. Just look at migrants from ex yugoslavia. Sweeden at that time had good policy because they have provided them education,language courses , some kind of pocket money while they are learning all that and after few months or a year-two they started to contribute to sociaty. I think it's the same in GER.
The only problem is that these migrants are arab and not european but i think that they want to work, they want to integrate and become part of the sociaty they live in.
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Muslim-Arab integration has been tragic in the UK and France. Did you see the video from London Luton I posted earlier? I would not call it a success story in Sweden or Norway either. So good luck to Germany they, need it. Germans could argue that Turkish integration has been a success but Merkel herself admitted it was not, so?
I'm not saying there are no jobs that these people can fill, there are of course and many of them will integrate work wise yes, however I have serious doubts whether they could integrate socially or at least understand feminists or gays for instance. And this is the mentality they will raise their kids in. Not to mention while the parents will still be content with their life (after all they fled war) their kids will grow up seeing the disadvantages in comparison to those who grew up with indigious parents. It doesn't take too long until a Middle East imported imam turns their frustration to anger. We all know how many UK born people for instance went to fight with Isis in Syria. What is this if not a complete failure of integration policies in these countries???
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Rihab95
(so around 2019). The refugee crisis will hardly stay relevant until then.
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Let's hope so
I don't see this dying out any time soon
I think the real **** will go down next spring
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