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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
I think he shouldn't have been so violent verbally (although it was very entertaining) but on the whole money issue I think he's on the right side of history.
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No one is entitled to free music.
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
No one is entitled to free music.
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Says who lol?
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Member Since: 8/30/2012
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
No one is entitled to free music.
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You're paying through ads, just like with television. No one today would say 'No one is entitled to free television', yet producing tv shows is often even more expensive than producing music.
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Y'all need to chill, Zayn is fine, I never thought I'd be defending him but he was in the right and although I don't condone all his decisions, there's clearly a lot we don't know. Woo, lord, I'm glad I wasn't in the base for the whole Liam/Duck Dynasty scandal because I would have scalpedT some of y'all.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
You're paying through ads, just like with television. No one today would say 'No one is entitled to free television', yet producing tv shows is often even more expensive than producing music.
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The ads model is not sustainable.
You would see the industry shrink by 90% if they depended on ads.
.....and most TV revenue comes from cable and satellite. Without those you would have a fraction of the content. Before the pay model, you had 4 TV networks total.
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Member Since: 8/30/2012
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
The ads model is not sustainable.
You would see the industry shrink by 90% if they depended on ads.
.....and most TV revenue comes from cable and satellite. Without those you would have a fraction of the content. Before the pay model, you had 4 TV networks total.
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It will be sustainable when the entire planet has adopted streaming. Spotify is only 60 million people (of which 25% have suscribed), you could easily multiply that by 10 in the upcoming decades. In fact, the industry has been growing in absolute value in certain countries where streaming, including freemium, is very advanced.
Since the music industry cannot do what the tv industry has done with cable and satellite, they will have to find their own model where the music remains free (otherwise people will just go back to piracy) but where paying can provide you with something extra which most people will consider interesting enough.
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Y'all are getting so hyped for his male Iggy + Breathe In Breathe Out era attempt guys
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
You're paying through ads, just like with television. No one today would say 'No one is entitled to free television', yet producing tv shows is often even more expensive than producing music.
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You really cant compare television to streaming. In TV if you want to watch a TV series you have to watch it in that certain time of the day when it airs and sit through 10 minutes of commercial breaks which you cannot skip. On streaming services like Youtube or Spotify you can listen to whatever you want whenever you want with just 30 seconds of ads (or less) which lots of people skip through AdBlock (or changing the song a few seconds before it ends in the case of Spotify). Not only does that make streaming way different than TV, but it also makes free streaming way more unstable than it would be if people wasn't so entitled to think 30 seconds is too much of their time to waste on helping a service that is giving them everything for free 
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
It will be sustainable when the entire planet has adopted streaming. Spotify is only 60 million people (of which 25% have suscribed), you could easily multiply that by 10 in the upcoming decades. In fact, the industry has been growing in absolute value in certain countries where streaming, including freemium, is very advanced.
Since the music industry cannot do what the tv industry has done with cable and satellite, they will have to find their own model where the music remains free (otherwise people will just go back to piracy) but where paying can provide you with something extra which most people will consider interesting enough.
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I am not saying it will never be viable, but right now it sure isn't, and it is the small artists that are suffering.
The same thing is happening in books as they go digital. The big name authors are making as much, or more, than ever, but the number of new authors finding success has shrunk to near zero in recent years.
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Electraheartpop went from ruthlessly dragging Zayn to praising him within a day.
Diamond teas
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Originally posted by BambiStar
Electraheartpop went from ruthlessly dragging Zayn to praising him within a day.
Diamond teas
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My impact has no limits.
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Originally posted by BambiStar
Electraheartpop going from ruthlessly dragging Zayn to praising him within a day.
Diamond teas
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It wasn't ruthless. Trust me I can and have been far worse, I still think he's awfully overrated but I gained respect for him today because it seems there is a bit more spice all up in that cinnamon than I had originally thought. He's still nowhere near the lads though.
He also ruined Spaces and Stockholm Syndrome with his terrible straining vocals, but luckily the latter is an incredible 80s-inspired pop-rock staple in their discography so he didn't Drag iT Down too much.
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I had to log in to share my opinion 
Hes wrong and this whole becoming the male azelia banks is tacky
Who wants to work with somebody so rude that has like no accomplishments to his name (if we're pulling the Beyoncé is separate from destinys child)
low-key hope he flops
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Zayn comes off so desperate with all this drama. He wants to be talked about soooo bad that it is pathetic 
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Originally posted by alestevens
You really cant compare television to streaming. In TV if you want to watch a TV series you have to watch it in that certain time of the day when it airs and sit through 10 minutes of commercial breaks which you cannot skip. On streaming services like Youtube or Spotify you can listen to whatever you want whenever you want with just 30 seconds of ads (or less) which lots of people skip through AdBlock (or changing the song a few seconds before it ends in the case of Spotify). Not only does that make streaming way different than TV, but it also makes free streaming way more unstable than it would be if people wasn't so entitled to think 30 seconds is too much of their time to waste on helping a service that is giving them everything for free |
That's true. But some websites have managed to block add-ons like Adblock and other ads-blockers. It's really strange to me that streaming services still haven't done it. 
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
I am not saying it will never be viable, but right now it sure isn't, and it is the small artists that are suffering.
The same thing is happening in books as they go digital. The big name authors are making as much, or more, than ever, but the number of new authors finding success has shrunk to near zero in recent years.
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I think instead of acting against streaming the big labels should be promoting it in order to make it viable more quickly. Imo they're shooting themselves in the foot by being so reluctant.
Regarding digital books, I think the industry is handling it all wrong once again. Having digital books is an amazing opportunity for them to promote unknown authors at low cost but they don't seize it...
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
That's true. But some websites have managed to block add-ons like Adblock and other ads-blockers. It's really strange to me that streaming services still haven't done it.
I think instead of acting against streaming the big labels should be promoting it in order to make it viable more quickly. Imo they're shooting themselves in the foot by being so reluctant.
Regarding digital books, I think the industry is handling it all wrong once again. Having digital books is an amazing opportunity for them to promote unknown authors at low cost but they don't seize it... |
You are wrong. That is EXACTLY what they have been doing.
It is very common to have new authors sell their books for 2.99, 1.99, .99, or even free. This has been a disaster for two reasons.
1. At that price the author doesn't make enough money to live and quits writing.
2. It has devalued ALL books to the point where almost no one is willing to EVER pay more than 2.99 per book, even from established authors. Dragging down the entire industry.
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Originally posted by Anvarie
I had to log in to share my opinion
Hes wrong and this whole becoming the male azelia banks is tacky
Who wants to work with somebody so rude that has like no accomplishments to his name (if we're pulling the Beyoncé is separate from destinys child)
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Nah, he won't be anything like Bey. I think he'll be a moderate success, maybe one big hit, and then just be a good, solid urban artist at this stage.
The current lineup is 1D, their DC3. This is what they'll be remembered as. They're only just getting started. I don't care if that makes me sound deluded because I truly believe it.
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Yes Louis shade that *notsonicewords* 
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
You are wrong. That is EXACTLY what they have been doing.
It is very common to have new authors sell their books for 2.99, 1.99, .99, or even free. This has been a disaster for two reasons.
1. At that price the author doesn't make enough money to live and quits writing.
2. It has devalued ALL books to the point where almost no one is willing to EVER pay more than 2.99 per book, even from established authors. Dragging down the entire industry.
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Doesn't seem like a unanimous opinion :
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-e...191025547.html
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U.S. publishers had revenues of $15 billion in 2012, the most recently reported annual figure from the Association of American Publishers. That’s up 14% from 2008 – not bad.
Overlooked and de-emphasized in these attacks on ebooks are the many ways big publishers have worked hard to destroy literature without Amazon’s help. To wit: overpaying huge advances for worthless books written by celebrities. Dumping vast quantities of best sellers in Walmarts (WMT) and Costcos (COST), where they’re sold at half price. Favoring the megachains for decades as they squeezed out the independent stores the publishers now champion against Amazon.
Jeff Bezos has been saying for years that Amazon Kindle owners buy more books than they did before they owned the ereader.
Self-publishing star author Hugh Howey recently grabbed a snapshot of the 7,000 best sellers in Amazon’s most popular fiction genres (mystery/thriller, scifi/fantasy and romance). And his results, for that one particular day, showed 35% of the titles were self-published and another 18% were by a single author with no publisher listed.
Publishers may whine and moan and convince their journalist pals to write attacks on Amazon. But for the reading public, it just keeps getting better.
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Anecdotal evidence is worthless. Plus that article is old.
The existence of one person who made it in self publishing means nothing at all in the large scheme of thing, and the only person in the industry cited in that trash article is the head of Amazon, who is invested in devaluing books because it helps drive traffic to his site, and all the authors/publishers hate him.
I follow writing more than I do music, and I have never heard ONE author say that what is happening to the publishing is a positive.
Come back with real evidence showing that overall publishing PROFIT is growing, because it is not. Selling a book for 1.99 and taking a loss may increase revenue, but the author sees none of it. Particularly the new authors since they don't have a back catalog to sell.
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