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News: GrExit: "Greece in Auschwitz"
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Originally posted by geodancefreak
Some of you people still supporting EU, who accepted Greece's suggestion last Monday, then turned it down asking for higher taxes to people with low salaries and lower taxes to companies that get millions. It's pretty obvious what they're trying to do. How can you not support Greek people who have been suffering for years now? Protest, go out on the streets, it's ridiculous. This is NOT how EU is supposed to work. They're trying to end Greece. And it's not just Greece, there are a lot of European countries that could follow. Wake up, this "union" does NOT support Europe, it supports 3 or 4 countries that will keep getting richer and richer.
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You're clearly brainwashed by your government
I don't support the EU by any means but what you're saying is crap
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No way Europe is going to allow it. They are probably going to delete the money we owe for Germany like Greece did for Germany years ago. Europe without us is weaker and they know it, even as a small country. Greeks however don't want to be in Europe. And as I stand here and look at your comments, I see stupid gays that don't have a clue about Greece and they call them lazy. Like ****ing get a **** in your mouth and shut up, you were born to take it from behind.
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Originally posted by Chemist
You're clearly brainwashed by your government
I don't support the EU by any means but what you're saying is crap
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What I'm saying is the truth. More and more people tend to agree with me, not only in Greece, but in the whole Europe.
Anyway, talking about politics on this forum is ridiculous. 90% of what I've read in this thread is offensive/ignorant/irrelevant. I guess most of you guys should just stick to talking about your faves and charts. 
You're not in any real problem, like Greek people, anyway. Just go on talking s***
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In moments like these I feel proud of my ****** country. 
Greece's risk premium is at 1,376 and rising. 
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Originally posted by MUSICLOVERGR
Why are you all so pressed?Try living under austerity for 5 years with -25% of your GDP,try having other countries tell you that you're lazy,when you work the most on average in Europe,try suggesting that there should be a move to growth and employment, instead being suggested of more austerity.Yes,it's mostly Greeks' fault that the situation is so bad these days,but all the European have acted like bitchy sisters,instead of helping solve the problem.
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We have. Some of us for longer.
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In reality, the US has a higher percentage of debt to GDP than Greece, well over 100% now, and a number of Americans are renouncing their citizenship and emigrating abroad.
Our Fed Reserve keeps printing more and more money with less and less value. We're $19 trillion in debt, and always looking to start new wars that cost us billions of dollars. Other countries are becoming wary of buying our bonds, and for good reason.
The Fed keeps our interest rates artificially low around zero because even an interest rate of 0.5% would wipe us out. The $19 trillion in debt doesn't count the estimated $100-$250+ trillion in unfunded entitlements (Social Security, Medicare) that are owed because our government started raiding that trust fund in 1985. As of 2012 it was virtually gone, just as the baby boomer generation reached age for those entitlements. And some say there are an additional $700 trillion in unpaid derivatives owed by our government on top of everything else we owe.
As this is happening, our government is passing laws cracking down on freedom and liberty, apparently aware of what's going to happen when everything comes crashing down here. They appear to be readying the country for mass protests, and are making it harder to leave and/or renounce your citizenship. Do not let the Supreme Court ruling on Gay marriage distract you from the words of Eric Snowden.
So I would not recommend anyone move to the US to try and avoid any economic collapse. Because we are likely to trigger one that brings the whole world down with us.
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Originally posted by CosTaSsSs
No way Europe is going to allow it. They are probably going to delete the money we owe for Germany like Greece did for Germany years ago. Europe without us is weaker and they know it, even as a small country. Greeks however don't want to be in Europe. And as I stand here and look at your comments, I see stupid gays that don't have a clue about Greece and they call them lazy. Like ****ing get a **** in your mouth and shut up, you were born to take it from behind.
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Greece makes up for 2% of the eurozone it's one of the most irrelevant countries tho
It's not France that's collapsing
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Originally posted by RomanNavy
Greece makes up for 2% of the eurozone it's one of the most irrelevant countries tho
It's not France that's collapsing
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2 percent can cause some serious damage.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
I am not surprised tbh. I have been to Greece several times these past 5 years, always in summer and it often happened that people simply didnt came back to work after siesta at all. I understand that it was hot and they were tired, but there has to be at least some work ethic, you know. I also understand that people who work outside had shortened working time due to hot weather, but this was the case also with people who worked in air-conditioned offices in banks or posts. It was not like that in Athens or Thesaloniki, but in smaller towns like Kiato it was sometimes a huge problem and I hadnt seen any improvement at all.
Also, there were several countries like Spain, Portugal or Cyprus which were coming through very bad crisis, but they accepted what has to be done and took the steps they needed, lived through few hard years and now the situation has stabilized. Only Greece is doing problems, simply because they dont want to lower their living standards. I come from countries where the average wage and pension is much lower than in Greece and yet we financially helped them like almost every EU country even tho we were in the middle of economic crisis ourselves. Yet Greece refused to do what they agreed on for the help. How should we feel about it. We give them our money even though we have much lower living standards and they just take them and ask for more without making changes in their system which would allow them to come out of crisis. And they are even pissed off on us for trying to help to adjust the system so it was stable without producing such debt. I dont even know what to think. I just am sorry that it came to this.
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I live in a small town near Athens and I have literally never heard of People leaving work early. Banks especially have a steady schedule and are open until 2.30 pm.
Our standard of living has already lowered to the point that the majority of people barely survive. People work 10 hours a day for less than half of what they used to get 5 years ago. And that would be fine except everything has doubled in price and jobs are nowhere to be found. And when you do find a job you Will probably not get paint for months or have no insurance.
The conditions are tragic and we simply cant afford more cuts. Austerity makes sense when people have at least the ability to pay for rent and food. We don't. Countries that have even lower salaries are fine (like Bulgaria which I have been to twice in the past three years) but thats because the cost of living there is incredibly low. We have European prices but sub European salaries. It just does not work.
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Originally posted by Giorgoc
I live in a small town near Athens and I have literally never heard of People leaving work early. Banks especially have a steady schedule and are open until 2.30 pm.
Our standard of living has already lowered to the point that the majority of people barely survive. People work 10 hours a day for less than half of what they used to get 5 years ago. And that would be fine except everything has doubled in price and jobs are nowhere to be found. And when you do find a job you Will probably not get paint for months or have no insurance.
The conditions are tragic and we simply cant afford more cuts. Austerity makes sense when people have at least the ability to pay for rent and food. We don't. Countries that have even lower salaries are fine (like Bulgaria which I have been to twice in the past three years) but thats because the cost of living there is incredibly low. We have European prices but sub European salaries. It just does not work.
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Well, it certainly happened to me in Greece regularly.
I had trouble to find banks in Greece open because they have ridiculously short shedule (for comparison, banks here are open from 7 am til at least 5 pm, but many are open til 10 pm).
I was always doing field work from 6 am to 1 pm, then we had siesta and then we went to lab and half of the people simply didnt show up 
And even though your income has lowered to half, you still earn much more than we do and the prices here (Slovakia and Czech Republic) and in Greece are comparable, including the rent I pay here and what I paid in Greece (we too have European prices and sub European salaries and problems with unemployment  ). Yet even when we were struggling with economic crisis, we tried to help you. We as a country had to loan money and put ourselves even more in debt to be able to send them to you, it was risky but we did it anyway because we believed that you will do everything what was needed to overcome the crisis. But you just dont wanna hear about the struggles of other smaller EU countries that tried to save you from bankrupt. If Greeks think that leaving EU will help them, Im afraid that you have a very hard time in front of you. You will sooner or later need to make the steps EU asks you to anyway, your economy plan and system as it is right now is unsustainable. Im just sorry that this is happening to you, I love Greece and it was great experience to work there no matter the obstacles. I just feel sorry that people in Greece think that EU is against them because it aint true.
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35 mins ago Greece defaulted on its IMF payment AND its second European Bailout expired, with no replacement coming.
What happens now. 
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Originally posted by Benjamin
35 mins ago Greece defaulted on its IMF payment AND its second European Bailout expired, with no replacement coming.
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Nobody knows really.
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
Who are the weaker countries?
Please dont let Spain be one of them |
Italy, Spain, Portugal
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Portugal won't be the next one exiting, we're the teacher's pet of the EU
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Made me lol
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We feel you, Greece. We really do.
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Originally posted by Waffles O'Brien
Made me lol
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So it's all Germany fault?
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Poor people
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by that G.U.Y.
So it's all Germany fault?
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Naw, still mostly Greece's fault.
Partly the EU's fault though.
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