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Discussion: Do you consider "transracial" a real term?
Member Since: 11/13/2009
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I'm not familiar with this term at all. Can someone please explain this better? Is this someone who is trying to medically change their skin tone? Or is this more about culture and seeking approval from a social group? I don't want to sound rude, I've just never heard of this before.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Bulldog
I just looked up transabled
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Body integrity identity disorder (BIID, also referred to as amputee identity disorder[1]) is a condition wherein sufferers feel they would be happier living as an amputee, or being "transabled."[2] It is related to xenomelia, "the oppressive feeling that one or more limbs of one's body do not belong to one's self".[3]
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This is a mental disorder, I'm sorry.
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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The fact that Nip/Tuck has episodes about transracialism and transableism...
Great show tbh.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Retro
Nope! "Transracial" is legitimately not a thing. Period! A white bitch, such as myself, doesn't get to claim to be spiritually or psychologically non-white given that race has exterior presentation that affects a person each and every day (thanks to things like prejudice) that will not affect said white bitch.
Besides, since race is a social construct that relies heavily upon skin tone and biological heritage, you literally can't change your perceived race unless you can somehow make all your relevant skin cells produce the right amount of melanin - and that's also not a thing.
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So does sex(female/male) though?
How can people say you can feel like a female/male and get all those surgeries to change your sex but not the same for race. Many people believe both race and gender are social constructs. Can your brain feel like a different race just like the brain can feel like a different gender. I don't understandd.
Edit: Not trolling I promise. Might be dumb, forgive me 
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Member Since: 6/17/2012
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Transgenderism/transsexualism is caused by dysphoria regarding sex characteristics, by strict definition, which is a medical condition of the brain/mind. Gender arose to describe typical roles the sexes hold. Race is a social construct relating to ethnic culture so to speak, 'transracial' people cant have experienced or been brought up in another culture so they cant claim it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Doc
This is a mental disorder, I'm sorry.
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And now I feel like an ***hole
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Doc
This is a mental disorder, I'm sorry.
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 . It is actually, I forgot which but I learned about it.
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Originally posted by KareBear
So does sex(female/male) though?
How can people say you can feel like a female/male and get all those surgeries to change your sex but not the same for race. Many people believe both race and gender are social constructs. Can your brain feel like a different race just like the brain can feel like a different gender. I don't understandd.
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Sex definitely exists, there's genetic differences between males and females that are verifiable. Whether or not it's also a disorder is debatable but it's real
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Retro
No. The point is, you can't. If you "are" a race, it's something ascribed to you by the society around you because of your appearance. Like Monte has said, it's not a real thing. Race isn't some sort of feeling, it's an experience dictated by your environment. If you are white, you are treated a certain way by others, and you are afforded certain benefits by western society. If you are of Asian or African or Native American descent and visibly not white, you are treated differently, and you experience life's benefits and prejudicial detriments differently because of how you are treated. It's not a thing you can just "feel" or "identify as."
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How does one feel like a woman or feel like a man? Aren't those perceptions based on societal implications as well? Experiencing life's benefits and prejudicial detriments differently can also be applied to the norms of gender stereotypes.
I have no set opinion on this, but I'm trying to understand why some of you are so convinced of the opposite of my initial thoughts.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by KareBear
So does sex(female/male) though?
How can people say you can feel like a female/male and get all those surgeries to change your sex but not the same for race. Many people believe both race and gender are social constructs. Can your brain feel like a different race just like the brain can feel like a different gender. I don't understand.
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It's really not the same thing at all.
There are entire cultures and histories associated with races/ethnicities. You aren't born with this, you are brought up into this. A White gyal from the backwoods of Kentucky need not claim she was supposed to be a Zulu and expect me to take her seriously. Just because race and gender are social constructs, doesn't mean they work the same way. There's nothing neurological about race like there is gender.
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Member Since: 6/17/2012
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Originally posted by KareBear
So does sex(female/male) though?
How can people say you can feel like a female/male and get all those surgeries to change your sex but not the same for race. Many people believe both race and gender are social constructs. Can your brain feel like a different race just like the brain can feel like a different gender. I don't understandd.
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well surgery doesnt really change your sex, cause that cant be changed. Your gender is changed, surgery alleviates dysphoria by making them appear the opposite sex
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Originally posted by KareBear
So does sex(female/male) though?
How can people say you can feel like a female/male and get all those surgeries to change your sex but not the same for race. Many people believe both race and gender are social constructs. Can your brain feel like a different race just like the brain can feel like a different gender. I don't understandd.
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First, sex is not gender. Second, gender expression is defined by feelings, impulses, emotions; skin color is static and physical, not a psychological or emotional "feeling" and skin color is the predominant medium by which people perceive the social construct of race.
I can be a woman who is biologically male; my gender and how I express that is psychological and emotional in nature and how I express that gender affects how other people perceive my gender. I cannot biologically have white skin and be of European descent but identify as, for example, Asian, because the idea of being Asian or any other ethnicity or race is not expressed from psychological or emotional places; it's not a mannerism or a behavior or a feeling of any kind. Race itself, as another person would perceive mine, is primarily determined by my appearance; I have white skin and I am of European descent. I am white, and I cannot "feel" differently.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by debutante
Transgenderism/transsexualism is caused by dysphoria regarding sex characteristics, by strict definition, which is a medical condition of the brain/mind. Gender arose to describe typical roles the sexes hold. Race is a social construct relating to ethnic culture so to speak, 'transracial' people cant have experienced or been brought up in another culture so they cant claim it.
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Bing.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
did you post a 50 minute video? You know no one's watching that right?
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I'm 8 minutes in.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Wonda
How does one feel like a woman or feel like a man? Aren't those perceptions based on societal implications as well? Experiencing life's benefits and prejudicial detriments differently can also be applied to the norms of gender stereotypes.
I have no set opinion on this, but I'm trying to understand why some of you are so convinced of the opposite of my initial thoughts.
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There are also real, verifiable gender differences (as well as sex differences)
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Originally posted by Wonda
How does one feel like a woman or feel like a man? Aren't those perceptions based on societal implications as well? Experiencing life's benefits and prejudicial detriments differently can also be applied to the norms of gender stereotypes.
I have no set opinion on this, but I'm trying to understand why some of you are so convinced of the opposite of my initial thoughts.
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It's hard to explain. The best way I can tell you is: imagine if you woke up with completely different body parts (idk what gender you are but you get the point). Like different genitalia, chest, hair, etc. You wouldn't FEEL right. And you'd still feel like your original gender.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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One last question b4 I go get in a state where my ability to respond productively will b impaired.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Sex definitely exists, there's genetic differences between males and females that are verifiable. Whether or not it's also a disorder is debatable but it's real
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And if it's real, and something set before birth, why has society accepted that it's something that can be changed, as opposed to a concept that was "made up?"
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by debutante
Transgenderism/transsexualism is caused by dysphoria regarding sex characteristics, by strict definition, which is a medical condition of the brain/mind. Gender arose to describe typical roles the sexes hold. Race is a social construct relating to ethnic culture so to speak, 'transracial' people cant have experienced or been brought up in another culture so they cant claim it.
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What if you're white adopted into a black family and only associate with black people. Can you claim black then?
If transexualism is brain dysphoria regarding roles or characteristics attributed to sex, wouldn't that classify being transexual as a mental disorder that should be treated, rather than catered to by getting surgery?
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Wonda
How does one feel like a woman or feel like a man? Aren't those perceptions based on societal implications as well? Experiencing life's benefits and prejudicial detriments differently can also be applied to the norms of gender stereotypes.
I have no set opinion on this, but I'm trying to understand why some of you are so convinced of the opposite of my initial thoughts.
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The difference is that you're thinking of sex as gender. There are definite physical traits to sex, such as genitalia, that make it a somewhat similar concept to race; you cannot change your biological sex, just as you cannot change your race (or, more accurately, the skin color to which the people around you then ascribe a race). It's ingrained into your cells and tissues, it's not changing. Gender is a very different thing - it's entirely psychological and emotional in nature, with a physical manifestation that only comes about through gender expression. You can't see gender - you can see how people express it.
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Member Since: 3/19/2012
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Originally posted by Corsola
It's hard to explain. The best way I can tell you is: imagine if you woke up with completely different body parts (idk what gender you are but you get the point). Like different genitalia, chest, hair, etc. You wouldn't FEEL right. And you'd still feel like your original gender.
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The same is true if you just happened to wake up white or black
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Wonda
One last question b4 I go get in a state where my ability to respond productively will b impaired.
And if it's real, and something set before birth, why has society accepted that it's something that can be changed, as opposed to a concept that was "made up?"
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well...you can't change your sex (at least not presently). You also can't really "change" your gender as your gender is something that you always are, you just have to come to terms with it.
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Member Since: 3/19/2012
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Originally posted by KareBear
What if you're white adopted into a black family and only associate with black people. Can you claim black then?
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Yes, yes you can!
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