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News: Alberta, Canada, elects socialist party
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I'm voting NDP in the next federal/provincial election.
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it's not a socialist party lol
it is the party that's responsible for canada having universal health care, though
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I'm voting NDP in the next federal/provincial election.
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me too!
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Oh and looking at the results, the communist party is in last place with 0.00% of the vote. What's the party in 2nd place though!? We don't have that one in Ontario.
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Wild Rose, they're super conservative / extreme right
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Originally posted by DWG
Yay Alberta!
Harper's days are numbered.
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He will be re-elected. No one wants the uppity, inexperienced Justin "Toke" Trudeau or the mustachioed Mad Tom Mulcair.
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still left
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lmao the liberals are not left, they're centre right
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Originally posted by alexanderao
Regarding HDI: No, it doesn't. And that's OK, because all it is doing is quantifying the standard of living in a country relative to other countries. The USA has one of the highest standards of living in the world and that is a fact, regardless of how bad the income inequality is here (and yes, it's horrible, but socialism doesn't need to be implemented to improve the situation).
At least where I live, there is no 'strict, obsessive classism' permeating the general public. Google's dictionary tool defines classism as "prejudice against or in favor of people belonging to a particular social class." I don't see underpriviledged people disrespecting wealthy people, or vice versa in my daily life. Everyone treats each other equally. The friendship and respect that I see transcends social classes, which is the way it should be.
A capitalism economy will inevitably have classes and inequality. With capitalism, some people are going to be left behind because others are simply going to move up more than they do. In the USA, one of the groups left behind is blacks, and that's not necessarily because of capitalism, it's largely due to the massive institution of slavery that was in place for a good century and a half before the Civil War. Don't misconstrue underprivileged blacks as being victims of capitalism. Now, this inequality that comes naturally with capitalism is amplified in the USA by the large disparity of education between those living in different areas. Education is the key to improving inequality. We can talk on and on about how people living in the Southern states are poorer, less healthy, live for less time, aren't as smart, and enjoy life less than their Northeastern counterparts, but education has the power to mend all of that. It has less to do with the current capitalist system than you are insisting.
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And just like with racism and police brutality, personal issues are not the problem. the problem is the system that allows this to happen. it's not a good cop vs bad cop issue. the issue is the law enforcement/legal system that justifies the killing of black people by not charging their murderers. classism is the same thing. no one actually parades around, flaunting their class but you can't hide from it. It is what it is. And the thing is, is even socialism will make way for classism but the difference is WHO is classified as rich and poor. Socialism would provide equal opportunity so everyone will have the chance to succeed. Of course not everyone will but at least everyone had the opportunity. That's just not the case for Capitalism. You're poor because they need most Americans to be poor or if you're black and poor, you're poor because your ancestors weren't paid for their slave labor. UNDERPRIVILEGED? The absolute nerve.
"Education is the key to improving inequality"
and Capitalism enforces the idea that education is worth an entire life in debt. 
"Don't misconstrue underprivileged blacks as being victims of capitalism." I just can't with that statement.
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Originally posted by vanishingbee
lmao the liberals are not left, they're centre right
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sis liberals are centre-left, they are socially left and economically centre...
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Originally posted by Giliap
1. Competition - There would still be competition in a socialist economy.
The only difference in our professional lives would be how we get paid and who pays us. You would still have to compete for jobs, but you're competing on a much more evened playing field. If anything Capitalism exploits competition and has made us a very evil society because of it. The world, especially America, has no real concept of "healthy competition."
2. Choice - I haven't researched anything on how many choices capitalism vs socialism offers but I can tell you now that we have way too many options already. And you would still have the right to choose which products/brands you wanted to buy regardless if there was a little less to choose from.
3. Opportunity -  capitalists say this all the time and I don't know how y'all do it with a straight face. How completely laughable. You cannot look at our gap in wealth and tell me everyone has equal opportunity and just SOMEHOW everyone is a lazy jackass. The rags-to-riches story is not common at all.
4. "Capitalism harnesses natural human greed for good" are you serious? this is the boldest lie I've ever heard a capitalist say.  "greed for good" I just...
5. More government regulation is so important though. I mean you can clearly see the decline in America ever since Reagan's administration fought against gov "intervention." Now instead of a war between gov and corporations, the corporations have the gov in their pockets. meaning they can do as they please. something only CAPITALISM let happen.
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Regarding competition, I think you're misunderstanding my argument. I am not saying that capitalism is great because it makes job vacancies more contested. I'm saying that capitalism inherently promotes competition among different people, companies, and products, causing continual advances in all facets of society and improving quality of life across the board. I said this before and I will say this again- it is NO COINCIDENCE that many of the world's most influential, innovative, creative, impactful companies in all industries have called the USA home. And it is no coincidence that the USA continues to be a world leader in many major industries. Fostering a competitive environment is not 'exploiting' competition. It is promoting competition for a greater good- the advancement of society.
Regarding choice, what compels you to say that 'we have way too many options'? I for one love being able to pick and choose how I live my life with extreme specifics. This may be more of a matter of personal opinion, so I won't delve deeply into it.
Regarding opportunity and moving up in the system, I never claimed anyone was lazy or not working hard enough to move up in the system. I completely agree that inequality in the USA is a disaster today, and there are statistics that show that economic mobility is very low in many areas of the USA. But does that mean that there's zero opportunity to move up, and that the only reason that this is the situation is because of capitalism? No and no. Therein lies the problem- you're operating under the assumption that it is capitalism that has caused this massive inequality, when in reality that's an inaccurate oversimplification that fails to take the history of this country into any sort of context.
Regarding greed, please read this and this.
Regarding government regulation, please explain why you believe that more government intervention will benefit the population, as consumers. It will allow the government to have more possibilities to overstep their powers, plain and simple. By privatizing assets and the market to an extent, capitalism protects the people from government abuse of power.
Your last sentence is so ridiculous. How in the world can you claim that the economy crashes to the point where economic growth and societal progress isn't occurring? That's just an extremely uninformed statement. Come on.
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So glad Alberta got some change, and escaped the delusion of the Conservative Party.
I'm a Liberal supporter, but the NDP is great!
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Yay Alberta!
Harper's days are numbered.
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I PRAY he's out, he's a huge disaster and detrimental to Canada in the international front.
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Originally posted by Goosey
He will be re-elected. No one wants the uppity, inexperienced Justin "Toke" Trudeau or the mustachioed Mad Tom Mulcair.
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You see, that's why I worry.
Canada is not a conservative country, yet Harper has been in power since 2006. Those who are anti-Harper are either Liberal, NDP, Green, or otherwise. That's 1 strong party against ~3 weaker ones.
If Canada had two major parties like the United States, the left-wing party would win a majority in a heartbeat. But because we have so much choice in Canada ( usually a good thing), the Conservatives may indeed win again and Harper will continue to drive us into the ground.
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Originally posted by MaRy
sis liberals are centre-left, they are socially left and economically centre...
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They aren't "liberals". They are the BC Liberal Party. You know they aren't left wing because I voted for them. 
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I PRAY he's out, he's a huge disaster and detrimental to Canada in the international front.
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How so? He's improved trade relations with China.
Or do you mean to say he's damaging the "peaceful, multicultural" image Pierre Trudeau cultivated? Well, to use Pierre's words, I don't give a tinker's damn about that nonsense. I vote for results on the domestic front.
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socialism is NOT communism  the ignorance
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"Regarding competition, I think you're misunderstanding my argument. I am not saying that capitalism is great because it makes job vacancies more contested. I'm saying that capitalism inherently promotes competition among different people, companies, and products, causing continual advances in all facets of society and improving quality of life across the board. I said this before and I will say this again- it is NO COINCIDENCE that many of the world's most influential, innovative, creative, impactful companies in all industries have called the USA home. And it is no coincidence that the USA continues to be a world leader in many major industries. Fostering a competitive environment is not 'exploiting' competition. It is promoting competition for a greater good- the advancement of society.
Regarding choice, what compels you to say that 'we have way too many options'? I for one love being able to pick and choose how I live my life with extreme specifics. This may be more of a matter of personal opinion, so I won't delve deeply into it."
I'm sorry but humans are going to invent new things no matter what. Credit is due to the inventors, not an intangible, superficial Nation. And how did we make all these advancements anways? With money that we made off the backs of slaves, and resources that we stole/killed for. That we STILL steal and kill for. Socialism would not hinder technological advancements anyways, and a variety of people would be able to enjoy them.
we have way too many options because there's up to 10 different brands of the same exact product. it's rampant. any local target or walmart will prove that to you.
"Regarding government regulation, please explain why you believe that more government intervention will benefit the population, as consumers. It will allow the government to have more possibilities to overstep their powers, plain and simple. By privatizing assets and the market to an extent, capitalism protects the people from government abuse of power."
not when things are regulated by the public. we basically would be the government. how can the government abuse power they dont have? they're in the pockets of billionaires running the country because we took that regulation power away.
I will read your links later.
But one more thing... I understand you're saying Capitalism isn't the problem, it's our history that dictates it but Capitalism truly is the problem. It cannot succeed without racism, and other unfair classism. If you take away our history and give us the same resources, knowledge and economy... we would be socialist.
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Originally posted by DWG
Canada is not a conservative country, yet Harper has been in power since 2002. Those who are anti-Harper are either Liberal, NDP, Green, or otherwise. That's 1 strong party against ~3 weaker ones.
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Conservative? Maybe compared to these Leninist parties. Harper is actually more left-wing than the US Democrats. 
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Originally posted by DWG
If Canada had two major parties like the United States, the left-wing party would win a majority in a heartbeat. But because we have so much choice in Canada (usually a good thing), the Conservatives may indeed win again and Harper will continue to drive us into the ground.
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And that's a great thing. Divide and conquer.
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I'd vote for anything but the Conservatives 
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Originally posted by getback
I'd vote for anything but the Conservatives |
Why? They dismantled and destroyed the long gun registry and introduced the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act.
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Originally posted by Giliap
And just like with racism and police brutality, personal issues are not the problem. the problem is the system that allows this to happen. it's not a good cop vs bad cop issue. the issue is the law enforcement/legal system that justifies the killing of black people by not charging their murderers. classism is the same thing. no one actually parades around, flaunting their class but you can't hide from it. It is what it is. And the thing is, is even socialism will make way for classism but the difference is WHO is classified as rich and poor. Socialism would provide equal opportunity so everyone will have the chance to succeed. Of course not everyone will but at least everyone had the opportunity. That's just not the case for Capitalism. You're poor because they need most Americans to be poor or if you're black and poor, you're poor because your ancestors weren't paid for their slave labor. UNDERPRIVILEGED? The absolute nerve.
"Education is the key to improving inequality"
and Capitalism enforces the idea that education is worth an entire life in debt.
"Don't misconstrue underprivileged blacks as being victims of capitalism." I just can't with that statement. |
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Originally posted by Giliap
"Regarding competition, I think you're misunderstanding my argument. I am not saying that capitalism is great because it makes job vacancies more contested. I'm saying that capitalism inherently promotes competition among different people, companies, and products, causing continual advances in all facets of society and improving quality of life across the board. I said this before and I will say this again- it is NO COINCIDENCE that many of the world's most influential, innovative, creative, impactful companies in all industries have called the USA home. And it is no coincidence that the USA continues to be a world leader in many major industries. Fostering a competitive environment is not 'exploiting' competition. It is promoting competition for a greater good- the advancement of society.
Regarding choice, what compels you to say that 'we have way too many options'? I for one love being able to pick and choose how I live my life with extreme specifics. This may be more of a matter of personal opinion, so I won't delve deeply into it."
I'm sorry but humans are going to invent new things no matter what. Credit is due to the inventors, not an intangible, superficial Nation. And how did we make all these advancements anways? With money that we made off the backs of slaves, and resources that we stole/killed for. That we STILL steal and kill for. Socialism would not hinder technological advancements anyways, and a variety of people would be able to enjoy them.
we have way too many options because there's up to 10 different brands of the same exact product. it's rampant. any local target or walmart will prove that to you.
"Regarding government regulation, please explain why you believe that more government intervention will benefit the population, as consumers. It will allow the government to have more possibilities to overstep their powers, plain and simple. By privatizing assets and the market to an extent, capitalism protects the people from government abuse of power."
not when things are regulated by the public. we basically would be the government. how can the government abuse power they dont have? they're in the pockets of billionaires running the country because we took that regulation power away.
I will read your links later.
But one more thing... I understand you're saying Capitalism isn't the problem, it's our history that dictates it but Capitalism truly is the problem. It cannot succeed without racism, and other unfair classism. If you take away our history and give us the same resources, knowledge and economy... we would be socialist.
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Humans are going to invent things no matter what, but capitalism exponentially speeds up that progress by fostering and promoting competition and advancement. That's why the Industrial Revolution and the decades after that featured such rapid advances- it coincided with the beginning of the widespread inmplementation of capitalism in the Western world.
I will respond to these two posts in-depth tomorrow. I am too tired right now. It's half past midnight and I have school in the morning. Good night.
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You see, that's why I worry.
Canada is not a conservative country, yet Harper has been in power since 2002.
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2006*
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Not yall posting damn BOOK CHAPTERS in here HA
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How so? He's improved trade relations with China.
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Yeah, Harper allowed for Chinese companies to take over Canadian resources and sue the Canadian government if it does anything to threaten the profits of those companies.
Harper also sold the Canadian Wheat Board to American and Saudi Arabian corporations.
This article on the latest budget is enlightening: The Federal Budget is Balanced Because the Finance Minister Sold the Family Donkey
Shall I go on?
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I'd vote for anything but the Conservatives |
Vote ABC, honey!
Anything But Conservative
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