[THEORACLE]

Originally posted by lodylody

Either way, it all ends up mastered to 0dB. Therefore, limiting reduces the loud parts, compressing increases the quiet parts. Pretty much the same thing. Basically, an admission that I was justified.


There still will be a compressor or a limiter at use; most likely a limiter.

Obviously the base offerings at the chorus for the limiter are more plentiful; there are vocals and many more instruments. However, the way it's been mastered or mixed has created a cluttered and messy, loud soup of sound. The continual step-up of loudness (as you can see at the drop, and then at the chorus) is most likely what creates this effect of excessive loudness. Either way, it should've been picked up on and somehow made more tolerable.

"#wavelengthsdontlie" Well Miss Education, since we're talking about loudness here, wavelengths are irrelevant. It's the amplitude of them that matters.

I'm going to stop here, not much point arguing with a delusional stan who thinks their fave can do no wrong.

They're not technically irrelevant, no - it's just an easy demonstration here. I'd like to actually see what you've produced though, as a side note.

But no, Zedd uses a plugin call "sausage fattener" which does give distortion (duh) and that's pretty much what you're hearing - there's nothing massively wrong with the mix of this song.

And really gurl, i'm not biased in any standards - if something is whack it's whack, and there's not here.

[LadyGagaStan93]

I love the song, the only thing bugging me is the nasty synth that sounds like a damn emergency TV signal before the last breakdown That kinda throws me off, but everything else is perfect to me. I actually really like the breakdown, as people here have said, it's very ARTPOP/ Donatella but I kind of wish Zedd did something like this for ARTPOP rather than giving Donatella which was a bit too structured.

[lodylody]

Originally posted by Owenrm

They're not technically irrelevant, no - it's just an easy demonstration here. I'd like to actually see what you've produced though, as a side note.

But no, Zedd uses a plugin call "sausage fattener" which does give distortion (duh) and that's pretty much what you're hearing - there's nothing massively wrong with the mix of this song.

And really gurl, i'm not biased in any standards - if something is whack it's whack, and there's not here.

Don't come for what people do as a living. I'd like to see where you're at in life, other than camping out up your own ass?

Dada Life Sausage Fattener, yes, I own it. It's actually a few different effects, primarily distortion, but also mild compression, etc. What I'm hearing is a song where the synths are too loud or messed with, leading to the mastering process making it even more accentuated and harsh to the ears.

[lodylody]

Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93

I love the song, the only thing bugging me is the nasty synth that sounds like a damn emergency TV signal before the last breakdown That kinda throws me off, but everything else is perfect to me. I actually really like the breakdown, as people here have said, it's very ARTPOP/ Donatella but I kind of wish Zedd did something like this for ARTPOP rather than giving Donatella which was a bit too structured.

Aside from my feeling about the first chorus, I completely agree. Zedd's more unique sound (like in this song) is what I really wanted to see Gaga work with.

[THEORACLE]

Originally posted by lodylody

Don't come for what people do as a living. I'd like to see where you're at in life, other than camping out up your own ass?

Dada Life Sausage Fattener, yes, I own it. It's actually a few different effects, primarily distortion, but also mild compression, etc. What I'm hearing is a song where the synths are too loud or messed with, leading to the mastering process making it even more accentuated and harsh to the ears.

Like I said, i'd like to see what you've produced!

The song is very full of it, but I wouldn't say it's bad production - it's Zedd. There's plenty of songs on his first album that are the same, and plenty of songs that use the same elements, but I wouldn't say that it's "bad" production (as it's well and truly intentional. It would be bad if it was literally just messy mixing, which it's not).

[lodylody]

Originally posted by Owenrm

Like I said, i'd like to see what you've produced!

The song is very full of it, but I wouldn't say it's bad production - it's Zedd. There's plenty of songs on his first album that are the same, and plenty of songs that use the same elements, but I wouldn't say that it's "bad" production (as it's well and truly intentional. It would be bad if it was literally just messy mixing, which it's not).

Well I'll be perfectly honest and I'll hope you'll be polite rather than trying to drag me like you did initially. I've been producing for just over a year now, so I'm really new. Producing is sort of "read only" - my ears are getting well-tuned to what's going on (I think you'll agree that compressors/limiters have virtually the same effect after the whole mastering process), but I'm not able to yet recreate the loudness of common releases, and obviously I'm still learning how to make certain synths and sounds. Madeon, for example, is very difficult to recreate... I have only put one remix up in public, but trust me - I'm hard at work, and as I can't sing, most of my written songs are unfinished without a singer: https://soundcloud.com/sevenths

Sorry for that off topic part. Anyway, this effect has never been so prominent and harsh before. Maybe it is an artistic choice, and maybe it's personal taste, but in my opinion that portion certainly sounds over-compressed within the context of the song. As you say, the last bit is equally loud, but there somehow it seems to fit in?

To me, his previous songs using this type of increasing loudness have always sounded correct, but in this instance it doesn't to me. Maybe your ears are more tolerant, tuned or partial to this method that I seem to dislike.

[Rukes]

I think it's an iTunes problem, try the WAV/AIFF on Beatport: https://pro.beatport.com/track/addic...al-mix/6571528