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Chart Listings: US Airplay Discussion Thread
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If the songs are receptive to radio listeners, they won't have any problems spinning two songs by the same artist. Look at Get Lucky/Blurred Lines, Fancy/Problem, Break Free/Bang Bang, etc. All of those those songs still ended up being pop radio hits despite being by the same artist.
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Originally posted by umich
If the songs are receptive to radio listeners, they won't have any problems spinning two songs by the same artist. Look at Get Lucky/Blurred Lines, Fancy/Problem, Break Free/Bang Bang, etc. All of those those songs still ended up being pop radio hits despite being by the same artist.
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yep. however in ellies case, outsides caving sales means radio will probably drop it soon. so lmlyd will receive full attention
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Originally posted by jose168
yep. however in ellies case, outsides caving sales means radio will probably drop it soon. so lmlyd will receive full attention
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Actually, Outside has been rising over the past few weeks- it was in the 80s and 90s for quite some time. Also, Calvin's singles never sell much and usually slay pop radio, so I think Outside can definitely do well.
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@ alexanderao how does the # for Audience Impressions get accumulated? I know it has something to do with the service area of an individual station, but then how does a number get calculated out? Like say a station that serves 2.3 million people and a song gets spun 45 times in a week, how does the AI for that song pan out?
I also did look into your airplay Blog, but that point wasn't brought up or it was hinted at I guess
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Originally posted by Celebrate
@ alexanderao how does the # for Audience Impressions get accumulated? I know it has something to do with the service area of an individual station, but then how does a number get calculated out? Like say a station that serves 2.3 million people and a song gets spun 45 times in a week, how does the AI for that song pan out?
I also did look into your airplay Blog, but that point wasn't brought up or it was hinted at I guess
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I'm actually not sure. My guess would be that some research has been done to show approximately what percent of the population the radio station servers frequently listens to it, and then that percent is converted to a concrete number of people. Then, that # is multiplied by the amount of spins. This is completely a guess though.
This is why I prefer spin data, though. Spin data is exact, while as far as I know AI data is an estimate.
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Originally posted by alexanderao
I'm actually not sure. My guess would be that some research has been done to show approximately what percent of the population the radio station servers frequently listens to it, and then that percent is converted to a concrete number of people. Then, that # is multiplied by the amount of spins. This is completely a guess though.
This is why I prefer spin data, though. Spin data is exact, while as far as I know AI data is an estimate.
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Yeah. My guess was there is a magic number that places a value on a spin based on how big the market a station is serving. In country music with limited amounts of stations, its both Spins and Audience Impressions that are fundamental to making Eric Church's Talledega #1 over Carrie Underwood's Something In The Water. (apparently its easier to get more spins on country radio then audience impressions, more manipulation going on there I suppose)...
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Adding to this conversation about audience numbers, time of day that the song is played is definitely a factor. A song that gets 40 overnight plays will have a much different audience number to a song that gets 40 midday plays on the exact same station.
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Originally posted by alexanderao
I'm actually not sure. My guess would be that some research has been done to show approximately what percent of the population the radio station servers frequently listens to it, and then that percent is converted to a concrete number of people. Then, that # is multiplied by the amount of spins. This is completely a guess though.
This is why I prefer spin data, though. Spin data is exact, while as far as I know AI data is an estimate.
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No impressions is the far superior way to rank songs. A spin in Bismarck, ND should not carry the same weight as a spin from Los Angeles on an airplay chart. If I were putting together the charts, every chart would use impressions to rank the popularity of the song.
Here is how I would give value to the three types of airplay ranking methods based on how valid and accurate they are in measuring a songs popularity:
Impressions: 95%
Spins: 65%
Playlist: 25% (used prior to 1992 Chart Year on Hot 100, and some Country Executives still push for a return to this chart where every #1 spent just one week on top, fell out of the Top 10 the next week, and out of the Top 40 two weeks later. There is no accuracy here, just labels trying to get every song to #1 and then out of the way.)
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Originally posted by Celebrate
@ alexanderao how does the # for Audience Impressions get accumulated? I know it has something to do with the service area of an individual station, but then how does a number get calculated out? Like say a station that serves 2.3 million people and a song gets spun 45 times in a week, how does the AI for that song pan out?
I also did look into your airplay Blog, but that point wasn't brought up or it was hinted at I guess
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Yes the size of the spin and impression inversion between Bryan and Underwood is quite significant.
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Originally posted by brianc33616
No impressions is the far superior way to rank songs. A spin in Bismarck, ND should not carry the same weight as a spin from Los Angeles on an airplay chart. If I were putting together the charts, every chart would use impressions to rank the popularity of the song.
Here is how I would give value to the three types of airplay ranking methods based on how valid and accurate they are in measuring a songs popularity:
Impressions: 95%
Spins: 65%
Playlist: 25% (used prior to 1992 Chart Year on Hot 100, and some Country Executives still push for a return to this chart where every #1 spent just one week on top, fell out of the Top 10 the next week, and out of the Top 40 two weeks later. There is no accuracy here, just labels trying to get every song to #1 and then out of the way.)
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Spins are easy to manipulate, which is why its easier to get a country airplay #1 for country as opposed to a Billboard country airplay #1
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Originally posted by brianc33616
Yes the size of the spin and impression inversion between Bryan and Underwood is quite significant.
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Their are plenty of other reasons for that gap as it has to do with Carrie's label slowing down SITW's radio performance to make sure Perfect Storm and Til Its Gone headed to #1 before her (since they were older singles), but they kept her waiting for too long and Eric and Luke stormed ahead of her in AI....anyways
shelven has a point too. i wonder if there are a bunch of people that come up with these formulas to determine how much Audience Impressions an individual song would get with one spin at a certain hour of the day. Now that information would be excellent to hear more about
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Originally posted by Celebrate
Spins are easy to manipulate, which is why its easier to get a country airplay #1 for country as opposed to a Billboard country airplay #1
Their are plenty of other reasons for that gap as it has to do with Carrie's label slowing down SITW's radio performance to make sure Perfect Storm and Til Its Gone headed to #1 before her (since they were older singles), but they kept her waiting for too long and Eric and Luke stormed ahead of her in AI....anyways
shelven has a point too. i wonder if there are a bunch of people that come up with these formulas to determine how much Audience Impressions an individual song would get with one spin at a certain hour of the day. Now that information would be excellent to hear more about
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I am glad we are on the same page with impressions! Billboard actually just marked the 25th anniversary of switching over the Country Radio Songs Chart from playlists to electronic monitoring earlier this month.
To multiply for impressions, I believe the All Access website has the Arbitron (audience) numbers broken down for each radio station by the given time segments of the day. These numbers provide the multipliers used for when the spins are played to give the impressions totals.. I have seen them on All Access several times before, but I cannot tell you where to look there off of the top of my head.
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POP:
22 18 TAYLOR SWIFT Style 5179 3536 1643 33.457
+301 Spins
+54 Bullet
+1.511 Audience
HOT AC:
26 22 TAYLOR SWIFT Style 1446 793 653 10.741
+105 Spins
+44 Bullet
+0.641 Audience
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Originally posted by Florencia
POP:
22 18 TAYLOR SWIFT Style 5179 3536 1643 33.457
+301 Spins
+54 Bullet
+1.511 Audience
HOT AC:
26 22 TAYLOR SWIFT Style 1446 793 653 10.741
+105 Spins
+44 Bullet
+0.641 Audience
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Taylor strikes the radio again
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Originally posted by Florencia
POP:
22 18 TAYLOR SWIFT Style 5179 3536 1643 33.457
+301 Spins
+54 Bullet
+1.511 Audience
HOT AC:
26 22 TAYLOR SWIFT Style 1446 793 653 10.741
+105 Spins
+44 Bullet
+0.641 Audience
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I thought it was peaking !!11!
She simply cannot lose !
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Rihanna 
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POP
0 28 RIHANNA/KANYE WEST/P MCCARTNEY FourFiveSeconds 2288 0 2288 19.615
+3 pos
+348 spins
+3.261 AI
HAC
0 34 RIHANNA/KANYE WEST/P MCCARTNEY FourFiveSeconds 477 0 477 4.126
+41 spins
+0.296 AI
RHYTHMIC
0 43 RIHANNA/KANYE WEST/P MCCARTNEY FourFiveSeconds 513 0 513 4.735
+4 pos
+101 spins
+0.767 AI
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POP
9 6 MEGHAN TRAINOR Lips Are Movin 12052 10154 1898 71.494
+1 pos
+321 spins
+188 bullet
+1.356 Al
HAC
8 6 MEGHAN TRAINOR Lips Are Movin 4510 3818 692 28.632
+93 spins
-11 bullet
+0.649 Al
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Originally posted by Almighty Gaga
POP
9 6 MEGHAN TRAINOR Lips Are Movin 12052 10154 1898 71.494
+1 pos
+321 spins
+188 bullet
+1.356 Al
HAC
8 6 MEGHAN TRAINOR Lips Are Movin 4510 3818 692 28.632
+93 spins
-11 bullet
+0.649 Al
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Meghan's second pop #1 is coming.
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Rhythmic
5 2 NE-YO She Knows f/Juicy J 5096 4493 603 25.539
+108 Spins
+60 Bullet
+0.576 Audience
URBAN
13 11 NE-YO She Knows f/Juicy J 2446 2149 297 14.277
+1 Position
+44 Spins
+1 Bullet
+0.255 Audience
POP
32 32 NE-YO She Knows f/Juicy J 2011 1508 503 8.508
+99 Spins
+29 Bullet
+0.438 Audience
URBAN AC
58 47 NE-YO She Knows f/Juicy J 50 40 10 0.473
+0 Spins
-3 Bullet
+0.023 Audience
Bruno will block Ne-Yo on Rhythmic 
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