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Discussion: White smudging runs deep
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All this discussion but... no sources, citations, or any actual factual EVIDENCE to back up most of your claims. I'm not saying it's needed but it would give what you're saying a lot more credibility.
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Originally posted by Starburst
All this discussion but... no sources, citations, or any actual factual EVIDENCE to back up most of your claims. I'm not saying it's needed but it would give what you're saying a lot more credibility.
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its atrl, credibility is a non factor
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Originally posted by starburst
all this discussion but... No sources, citations, or any actual factual evidence to back up most of your claims. I'm not saying it's needed but it would give what you're saying a lot more credibility.
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i would have that if my people wasnt dragged over here on a dam ship
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I agree with you guys but there's a pet peeve here that's just getting to me.
Yall need to let Egypt go.
Regardless if the Egyptians were originally black or not they are not the ancestors to black people brought over to North and South America or the Caribbean.
Instead of claiming something that has nothing to do with us look into the great Kingdoms of West Africa.
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This isn't as serious as the topic at hand, but it always annoys me when people who aren't Beyonce fans try to brush her off as "Ghetto" and call her music nothing more than "ratchet hoodrat Anthems." That's already baseless and show's they don't know her discography as well as they assume. But to the point, it's culture. And Beyonce is far from being the only one makes said type of music. It's party music. Britney, Kesha, Katy, etc make music with the EXACT same themes, except the jargon is different and they use pop-electro beats rather than hip-hop/trap beats. And Beyonce, among others, just does it with more pizazz and personality, but gets called "Ghetto" for it.
Another thing. It's a shame African history is almost erased. I remember learning that Napoleon blasted that nose off of the sphinx because it looked "too black;" "There's no way black people could have engineered this," they said. And sad as it is, if it wasn't for recent events (Ferguson Missouri and the Eric Garner case), all the cruelty shown to black people post slavery would have been swept under the rug too, as if all the racism and bigotry just vanished into thin air after slavery was abolished. I'm low key glad many non-american ATRLers are getting to learn this stuff through ATRL, and see that the USA is NOT as pure and pristine as they were lead to believe. It shows why certain things just are the way they are.
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Originally posted by Luzianne
And about the holocaust, no. I was telling the truth about the USA being a huge hypocrite while it did fight the holocaust. At the same time segregation was still legal. Police back then were LITERALLY in cahoots with the KKK in the south. Even white people who supported black people were more or less ostracized (and targeted). Race gets thrown into the mix because that fear is still there.
And it's only been 2/3 of a century since:
- Any black person could be blamed for any crime they didn't commit; many were and many were executed. Heck, Emmett Till (a child) was brutally slaughtered by grown men and they were acquitted as if nothing happened.
- Segregated schools, buses, bathrooms, restaurants. Black people couldn't touch the 'white fountain,' but white people would let their dogs lick from the 'black fountain.'
- Interracial marriages (or relationships in general) were literally illegal.
- Black people were not allowed in public office, let alone even vote.
- The little girls blown up in the Birmingham church --- This list goes on and on.
I know you know the history, but all of this was pretty much condoned/approved of by the US government while they hypocritically bashed Hitler for his discrimination. Even the army was segregated. After WW2, many black people preferred to stay in Germany because the USA was still so nasty towards black people. Colin Powell has a documentary on it.
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I posted this a while ago in response to someone who came off as a bit ignorant and insensitive to truths like the ones being presented in this thread. Anyway, these are obviously cliff notes that were luckily documented. Imagine how much brutality isn't documented. And all this is VERY recent history.
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Originally posted by Callisto.
I agree with you guys but there's a pet peeve here that's just getting to me.
Yall need to let Egypt go.
Regardless if the Egyptians were originally black or not they are not the ancestors to black people brought over to North and South America or the Caribbean.
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I agree, but we can't forget Egypt as it represents the only bastion of African excellence that the white man has allowed to survive. I'll continue to claim Egypt as long as they continue to try and whitewash it. But I would love for one day the Jolof, Mali, Songhai, and other great empires of West Africa (the ones that many of us are actually descended from) to be just as revered and given historical importance. I'm definitely going to start looking more into them.
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Originally posted by Luzianne
This isn't as serious as the topic at hand, but it always annoys me when people who aren't Beyonce fans try to brush her off as "Ghetto" and call her music nothing more than "ratchet hoodrat Anthems." That's already baseless and show's they don't know her discography as well as they assume. But to the point, it's culture. And Beyonce far from being the only one makes said type of music. It's party music. Britney, Kesha, Katy, etc make music with the EXACT same themes, except jargon is different and they pop-electro beats rather than hip-hop/trap beats. And Beyonce, among others, just does do it with more pizazz and personality, but get called "Ghetto" for it.
Another thing. It's a shame African history is almost erased. I remember learning that Napoleon blasted that nose off of the sphinx because it looked "too black;" "There's no way black people could have engineered this," they said. And sad as it is, if it wasn't for recent events (Ferguson Missouri and the Eric Garner case), all the cruelty shown to black people post slavery would have been swept under the rug too, as if all the racism and bigotry just vanished into thin air after slavery was abolished. I'm low key glad many non-american ATRLers are getting to learn this stuff through ATRL, and see that the USA is NOT as pure and pristine as they were lead to believe. It shows why certain things just are the way they are.
I posted this a while ago in response to someone who came off as a bit ignorant and insensitive to truths like the ones being presented in this thread. Anyway, these are obviously cliff notes that were luckily documented. Imagine how much brutality isn't documented. And all this is VERY recent history.
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I agree, but we can't forget Egypt as it represents the only bastion of African excellence that the white man has allowed to survive. I'll continue to claim Egypt as long as they continue to try and whitewash it. But I would love for one day the Jolof, Mali, Songhai, and other great empires of West Africa (the ones that many of us are actually descended from) to be just as revered and given historical importance. I'm definitely going to start looking more into them.
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Yes fight against the white washing of Egypt. I agree with that.
Surprised they didn't try it with Nubia.
Probs because there's no way they can turn them white. 
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The media highlights many issues in the black community. And yes they are issues we are going through but every community has its issues. But can we get into how resilient and amazing black Americans are? Literally being stripped of EVERYTHING. Culture gone, stories gone, language gone, lifestyle gone. Forced to be servant to white people, forced to be below white people, forced into an area that is not meant for them. However, black Americans were able to create lemons out of lemonade. Fast forward today, black Americans have a history of struggle and fight (that still continues) but along with that came a culture. Black humor originated from slaves finding ways to talk about their masters without explicitly talking about them...essentially the earliest version of what we know as "shade". Black American food "soul food" originates from the scraps given to them. Our music originates from the need of a way to express our struggle; it is our commonality. We literally created a culture out of nothing. A culture with a large global influence. You have Koreans rapping. You have Europeans throwing shade and essentially signifying. Hell even the N-word and it's global presence exemplifies that. Richard Pryor's usage of it got people all over saying it. Our influence, our culture, our lifestyle, our determination, our ambition. Truly amazing and severely under-looked and under-appreciated.
Black Americans need to realize that being black is not about who can be the best representation of what the media says being black is. It's about being who we really are. Pioneers...decedents from royalty who can make something of their life and contribute to the overall well being of the world. Yes we have issues now with stuff like profiling and brutality, but once we realize what we have overcome and created, we can strive forward past the white systematic ********.
tl;dr: black americans slay, have been for years and we need to realize that.
Also this is the mindset I like to view myself from because I know nothing about Africa and while I can educate myself (and have been), I honestly will never feel that connection. My culture is black American culture and it will be the culture I raise my children with and continue to live my life with.
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Originally posted by Callisto.
Yes fight against the white washing of Egypt. I agree with that.
Surprised they didn't try it with Nubia.
Probs because there's no way they can turn them white. |
Remember when Will Smith was allegedly planning to make that film about the Kushite pharoah Taharqa? It was some years back, but I REALLY hope that movie eventually comes to fruition. Now that's a movie about Egypt that I would pay to go see.
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Originally posted by Deuces
The media highlights many issues in the black community. And yes they are issues we are going through but every community has its issues. But can we get into how resilient and amazing black Americans are? Literally being stripped of EVERYTHING. Culture gone, stories gone, language gone, lifestyle gone. Forced to be servant to white people, forced to be below white people, forced into an area that is not meant for them. However, black Americans were able to create lemons out of lemonade. Fast forward today, black Americans have a history of struggle and fight (that still continues) but along with that came a culture. Black humor originated from slaves finding ways to talk about their masters without explicitly talking about them...essentially the earliest version of what we know as "shade". Black American food "soul food" originates from the scraps given to them. Our music originates from the need of a way to express our struggle; it is our commonality. We literally created a culture out of nothing. A culture with a large global influence. You have Koreans rapping. You have Europeans throwing shade and essentially signifying. Hell even the N-word and it's global presence exemplifies that. Richard Pryor's usage of it got people all over saying it. Our influence, our culture, our lifestyle, our determination, our ambition. Truly amazing and severely under-looked and under-appreciated.
Black Americans need to realize that being black is not about who can be the best representation of what the media says being black is. It's about being who we really are. Pioneers...decedents from royalty who can make something of their life and contribute to the overall well being of the world. Yes we have issues now with stuff like profiling and brutality, but once we realize what we have overcome and created, we can strive forward past the white systematic ********.
tl;dr: black americans slay, have been for years and we need to realize that.
Also this is the mindset I like to view myself from because I know nothing about Africa and while I can educate myself (and have been), I honestly will never feel that connection. My culture is black American culture and it will be the culture I raise my children with and continue to live my life with.
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Flawless post.
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Originally posted by Deuces
The media highlights many issues in the black community. And yes they are issues we are going through but every community has its issues. But can we get into how resilient and amazing black Americans are? Literally being stripped of EVERYTHING. Culture gone, stories gone, language gone, lifestyle gone. Forced to be servant to white people, forced to be below white people, forced into an area that is not meant for them. However, black Americans were able to create lemons out of lemonade. Fast forward today, black Americans have a history of struggle and fight (that still continues) but along with that came a culture. Black humor originated from slaves finding ways to talk about their masters without explicitly talking about them...essentially the earliest version of what we know as "shade". Black American food "soul food" originates from the scraps given to them. Our music originates from the need of a way to express our struggle; it is our commonality. We literally created a culture out of nothing. A culture with a large global influence. You have Koreans rapping. You have Europeans throwing shade and essentially signifying. Hell even the N-word and it's global presence exemplifies that. Richard Pryor's usage of it got people all over saying it. Our influence, our culture, our lifestyle, our determination, our ambition. Truly amazing and severely under-looked and under-appreciated.
Black Americans need to realize that being black is not about who can be the best representation of what the media says being black is. It's about being who we really are. Pioneers...decedents from royalty who can make something of their life and contribute to the overall well being of the world. Yes we have issues now with stuff like profiling and brutality, but once we realize what we have overcome and created, we can strive forward past the white systematic ********.
tl;dr: black americans slay, have been for years and we need to realize that.
Also this is the mindset I like to view myself from because I know nothing about Africa and while I can educate myself (and have been), I honestly will never feel that connection. My culture is black American culture and it will be the culture I raise my children with and continue to live my life with.
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Brilliant mindset. African Americans have achieved so much.
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Originally posted by Callisto.
Instead of claiming something that has nothing to do with us look into the great Kingdoms of West Africa.
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so much rich history there
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Originally posted by Deuces
The media highlights many issues in the black community. And yes they are issues we are going through but every community has its issues. But can we get into how resilient and amazing black Americans are? Literally being stripped of EVERYTHING. Culture gone, stories gone, language gone, lifestyle gone. Forced to be servant to white people, forced to be below white people, forced into an area that is not meant for them. However, black Americans were able to create lemons out of lemonade. Fast forward today, black Americans have a history of struggle and fight (that still continues) but along with that came a culture. Black humor originated from slaves finding ways to talk about their masters without explicitly talking about them...essentially the earliest version of what we know as "shade". Black American food "soul food" originates from the scraps given to them. Our music originates from the need of a way to express our struggle; it is our commonality. We literally created a culture out of nothing. A culture with a large global influence. You have Koreans rapping. You have Europeans throwing shade and essentially signifying. Hell even the N-word and it's global presence exemplifies that. Richard Pryor's usage of it got people all over saying it. Our influence, our culture, our lifestyle, our determination, our ambition. Truly amazing and severely under-looked and under-appreciated.
Black Americans need to realize that being black is not about who can be the best representation of what the media says being black is. It's about being who we really are. Pioneers...decedents from royalty who can make something of their life and contribute to the overall well being of the world. Yes we have issues now with stuff like profiling and brutality, but once we realize what we have overcome and created, we can strive forward past the white systematic ********.
tl;dr: black americans slay, have been for years and we need to realize that.
Also this is the mindset I like to view myself from because I know nothing about Africa and while I can educate myself (and have been), I honestly will never feel that connection. My culture is black American culture and it will be the culture I raise my children with and continue to live my life with.
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Originally posted by Deuces
The media highlights many issues in the black community. And yes they are issues we are going through but every community has its issues. But can we get into how resilient and amazing black Americans are? Literally being stripped of EVERYTHING. Culture gone, stories gone, language gone, lifestyle gone. Forced to be servant to white people, forced to be below white people, forced into an area that is not meant for them. However, black Americans were able to create lemons out of lemonade. Fast forward today, black Americans have a history of struggle and fight (that still continues) but along with that came a culture. Black humor originated from slaves finding ways to talk about their masters without explicitly talking about them...essentially the earliest version of what we know as "shade". Black American food "soul food" originates from the scraps given to them. Our music originates from the need of a way to express our struggle; it is our commonality. We literally created a culture out of nothing. A culture with a large global influence. You have Koreans rapping. You have Europeans throwing shade and essentially signifying. Hell even the N-word and it's global presence exemplifies that. Richard Pryor's usage of it got people all over saying it. Our influence, our culture, our lifestyle, our determination, our ambition. Truly amazing and severely under-looked and under-appreciated.
Black Americans need to realize that being black is not about who can be the best representation of what the media says being black is. It's about being who we really are. Pioneers...decedents from royalty who can make something of their life and contribute to the overall well being of the world. Yes we have issues now with stuff like profiling and brutality, but once we realize what we have overcome and created, we can strive forward past the white systematic ********.
tl;dr: black americans slay, have been for years and we need to realize that.
Also this is the mindset I like to view myself from because I know nothing about Africa and while I can educate myself (and have been), I honestly will never feel that connection. My culture is black American culture and it will be the culture I raise my children with and continue to live my life with.
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My GOD this is amazing
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Also, with regards to African history, it is absolutely true that Africa had a rich and diverse culture, along with many cities destroyed in European conquest or left deserted. It is absolutely true that in Europe's dark and medieval ages, the coastal regions of Africa thrived in trade, as did Swahili cultures.
However, there's no denying that Africa fell behind very quickly. Europe, The Middle-East and East Asia developed thriving academia, and secular thought finally began to re-emerge. Virtually all of the major technological advances we know well came from these regions. Ultimately, Europe became the master of military technology and logistics and you know they used it. I don't know that you can blame white people for this, as I feel if other races had developed military superiority we'd have seen similar things; Europe would probably be Islamic, for instance.
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Originally posted by Deuces
The media highlights many issues in the black community. And yes they are issues we are going through but every community has its issues. But can we get into how resilient and amazing black Americans are? Literally being stripped of EVERYTHING. Culture gone, stories gone, language gone, lifestyle gone. Forced to be servant to white people, forced to be below white people, forced into an area that is not meant for them. However, black Americans were able to create lemons out of lemonade. Fast forward today, black Americans have a history of struggle and fight (that still continues) but along with that came a culture. Black humor originated from slaves finding ways to talk about their masters without explicitly talking about them...essentially the earliest version of what we know as "shade". Black American food "soul food" originates from the scraps given to them. Our music originates from the need of a way to express our struggle; it is our commonality. We literally created a culture out of nothing. A culture with a large global influence. You have Koreans rapping. You have Europeans throwing shade and essentially signifying. Hell even the N-word and it's global presence exemplifies that. Richard Pryor's usage of it got people all over saying it. Our influence, our culture, our lifestyle, our determination, our ambition. Truly amazing and severely under-looked and under-appreciated.
Black Americans need to realize that being black is not about who can be the best representation of what the media says being black is. It's about being who we really are. Pioneers...decedents from royalty who can make something of their life and contribute to the overall well being of the world. Yes we have issues now with stuff like profiling and brutality, but once we realize what we have overcome and created, we can strive forward past the white systematic ********.
tl;dr: black americans slay, have been for years and we need to realize that.
Also this is the mindset I like to view myself from because I know nothing about Africa and while I can educate myself (and have been), I honestly will never feel that connection. My culture is black American culture and it will be the culture I raise my children with and continue to live my life with.
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Best post in this thread tbh.
Sadly, the ATRL members that need to see this, will not read it and probably are not even checking for this great thread. 
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