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Celeb News: Madonna Voted #1 - Artists Who Have Helped The LGBT Movement
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Originally posted by Ale-Alejandro
Let's keep it quiet a tad with donations and stuff. We all know all the celebrities donate and do charity in order to evade taxes. Yet again, with all her donations, she still didn't really help much, not even in a top 50 list.
ARE YOU FOR FREAKING REAL? You deserve permaban tbh. Associating LGBT with AIDS, that's the 1st thing that came to your mind? Last time I checked, STR8 people were also affected by the HIV virus, and plain ignoring the fact that he portrayed a typical closeted gay for so long, even marrying a woman, sums it up with his help in the LGBT community.
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Educate that annoying little twink 
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Originally posted by KylieistBoi
Tbh this just shows your hypocrisy, Gaga has been supporting LGBT community since the beginning of her career. It is not her fault that she was born years later Madonna and couldn't show her support during the 80s/90s.
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Suppporting gay in 80s, 90s is very different from 2000s, it could kill ur career (ask elton john to know more)
that doesnt mean artists nowadays should ´t support LGBT, but noone mention gays as much as lady Gaga´s done in her career.
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Nhật Thực, you're the one you should be chastising, not Gaga.
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Macklemore  Demi Lovato
Them not including Lady Gaga . one of the biggest gay icons of this century
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
Suppporting gay in 80s, 90s is very different from 2000s, it could kill ur career (ask elton john to know more)
that doesnt mean artists nowadays should ´t support LGBT, but noone mention gays as much as lady Gaga´s done in her career.
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I know it is different because times are different and as much as we want to make it look like everything is so different from those times it is not exactly much different. It is still hard being gay, still people bully others because they are gay, people commit suicides because it is hard them to live on their own while others hate them.
The thing is Gaga just doesn't say it she also acts to show her support, so it is different than any artist saying they support LGBT. Since she debuted she became a supporter of LGBT community so it is perfectly normal for her to receive more questions about LGBTs than any other of her peers, e.g. Xtina or Britney. And taking an action against homophobia could still kill your career (I'm not saying Gaga's career has been killed) because people are afraid of being labeled as gay in the eyes of society.
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Gaga has done more for the gay community than most of that list. She has donated money, time, her life, her career to supporting gay people and it's disgusting that some of you think it isn't "good" enough. Macklemore seems to be more guilty of "exploiting" the gays but in my opinion, who cares, he brought more awareness to LGBT rights and freedoms that we deserve.
I think I even read a comment about how she's "separating" the gay and straight population and later the same poster said Gaga can't properly support because she isn't gay and doesn't understand! Isn't that what you're complaining about yourself? I mean it's hypocritical, what have you done for the gay community, I mean since you know "us" so well?
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Macklemore 
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No Cher or Gaga  Fail list.
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Originally posted by Lose My Breath
Gaga has done more for the gay community than most of that list. She has donated money, time, her life, her career to supporting gay people and it's disgusting that some of you think it isn't "good" enough. Macklemore seems to be more guilty of "exploiting" the gays but in my opinion, who cares, he brought more awareness to LGBT rights and freedoms that we deserve.
I think I even read a comment about how she's "separating" the gay and straight population and later the same poster said Gaga can't properly support because she isn't gay and doesn't understand! Isn't that what you're complaining about yourself? I mean it's hypocritical, what have you done for the gay community, I mean since you know "us" so well?
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Gaga has done more for the gay community than these gays here. Downloading Grindr is not a cause for the community and neither is posting a GM Insta #nofilter either.
The exploitation argument is so tired. First if all, Gaga would gain more by exploiting young girls through break up anthems and girl power anthems. "Exploiting" or "pandering" the gay community is not a wise decision and unless you choose to do it for song *ahem*. Gaga had more to lose than to gain, and she didn't have to "use" us. Understand that. Gaga gained her fame and fortune way before Born This Way, and way before she thanked God and the gays at the VMAs. Since then, Gaga has donated money to charity and actively participated in DADT getting repealed. She has used her celebrity status to make a difference.
Most of you self loathing gays wish you could.
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Originally posted by KylieistBoi
I know it is different because times are different and as much as we want to make it look like everything is so different from those times it is not exactly much different. It is still hard being gay, still people bully others because they are gay, people commit suicides because it is hard them to live on their own while others hate them.
The thing is Gaga just doesn't say it she also acts to show her support, so it is different than any artist saying they support LGBT. Since she debuted she became a supporter of LGBT community so it is perfectly normal for her to receive more questions about LGBTs than any other of her peers, e.g. Xtina or Britney. And taking an action against homophobia could still kill your career (I'm not saying Gaga's career has been killed) because people are afraid of being labeled as gay in the eyes of society.
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All Celebrities do Charity and they do it to help all people not only LGBT. Everytime lady Gaga do charity it becomes a hot-ass new as if she´s the only celebrity does that and she also receives a lot from that. I dont see that action against Homophibia killing celebity´career nowadays, it´s more like the other way around, especially when pretending to be gay or lesbian is a cool thing to do for straight teenagers. If she wants to help gays from bulling and suicide, she´d better help improving the society´s point of view instead of creating an subtly own nation for them.
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
All Celebrities do Charity and they do it to help all people not only LGBT. Everytime lady Gaga do charity it becomes a hot-ass new as if she´s the only celebrity does that and she also receives a lot from that. I dont see that action against Homophibia killing celebity´career nowadays, it´s more like the other way around, especially when pretending to be gay or lesbian is a cool thing to do for straight teenagers. If she wants to help gays from bulling and suicide, she´d better help improving the society´s point of view instead of creating an subtly own nation for them.
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I really want you think about what you just posted.
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no wonder madonna is the #1 gay icon.
she was born this way.
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Elton John pretended to be straight, and Lady Gaga pretended to be a bisexual. They don't belong on that list lolll
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
OMG you keeps being fail at understand the difference between sexual-acceptance and self-expressing when keep refering sexual-acceptance and coming out in the same phrase, it's more absurd with straight when they know that they are attractive to male or female at puberty. you said that there are many people now who go to camps to become straight, i need the TRUE proof because i only know about that kind of story through gay movies. having a gay friend doesnt mean you know them at all, many gay movie directors have to contact with gay people for a long time to make their movies more real, but what we watch on gay movies never look like real life.
self esteem is an old theme that many artists had made before her, she just repeat it absurdly
i mean " Don't be a drag, just be a queen " ? how about gay men that dont like to dress like a drag or a queen either ? she has a narrow view of gay community
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You seem genuinely out of touch with the gay community if you're making assumptions like these. You say that straight people know who they are attracted to at puberty. Why do you think for gays it is different? It is more confusing and you feel more shame but deep down you know. Or maybe you don't but you can't say that no one does. And that's why self-acceptance is good. And by the way sexual-acceptance (accepting your sexuality) and coming-out are the same thing. You cannot confidently express yourself if you do not accept yourself.
I'm not going to provide proof of straight-camps. Just google it.
And "don't be a drag, just be a queen" is just one line of the song, and it's meant to be humorous. You're 100% just looking for ways to criticize and it's coming off badly.
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
I really want you think about what you just posted.
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Don't bother. Nothing that user has said in this thread makes any sense, Swiss is clocking ha over and over.
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Originally posted by swissman
You seem genuinely out of touch with the gay community if you're making assumptions like these. You say that straight people know who they are attracted to at puberty. Why do you think for gays it is different? It is more confusing and you feel more shame but deep down you know. Or maybe you don't but you can't say that no one does. And that's why self-acceptance is good. And by the way sexual-acceptance (accepting your sexuality) and coming-out are the same thing. You cannot confidently express yourself if you do not accept yourself.
I'm not going to provide proof of straight-camps. Just google it.
And "don't be a drag, just be a queen" is just one line of the song, and it's meant to be humorous. You're 100% just looking for ways to criticize and it's coming off badly.
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Which part of this conversation did i say that gay is different from straight in term of realizing the object that they´re attracted to ? You´re doing too much to draw out what i didn´t say. Sorry, sexual-acceptance and self-expressing are two different things, it´s not like appearence-acceptance, if you are ugly, black, muscleless....and you´re not respected by society by your appearence which mentioned in "beautiful" and in BTW too but lady Gaga mess this concept up with sexual-acceptance and something like " dont be a drag just be a queen " ( this line is not a joke to me ), does she only think that all gay men are drag queens and should express it ? In other words, BTW is a mess. I didnt even recognized that failure in the lyrics of the song by myself, another friend of my who is gay too asked me about it
I really dont like it wben i ask someone about something then they suggest me to use google.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Don't bother. Nothing those MONSTERS have said in this thread makes any sense, Swiss is clocking ha over and over.
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This makes more sense
Clocking is the only thing that monsters can say in any discussion
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
Which part of this conversation did i say that gay is different from straight in term of realizing the object that they´re attracted to ? You´re doing too much to draw out what i didn´t say.
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You had said, "it's more absurd with straight when they know that they are attractive to male or female at puberty." This would imply that gay people do not know they are attracted to the same sex at puberty. However, your sentence structure is odd and I take it English is not your first language so it's possible I've misunderstood.
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
Sorry, sexual-acceptance and self-expressing are two different things, it´s not like appearence-acceptance, if you are ugly, black, muscleless....and you´re not respected by society by your appearence which mentioned in "beautiful" and in BTW too but lady Gaga mess this concept up with sexual-acceptance and something like " dont be a drag just be a queen " ( this line is not a joke to me ), does she only think that all gay men are drag queens and should express it ?
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If you're black and not respected by society I don't see how it's different from being gay and not respected by society. Either way you need to be proud of who you are. The drag queen line does not imply Gaga thinks all gays are drag queens. She's met enough gay men to know the difference. It is a play on words. "Don't be a drag" means "don't be depressed" and "just be a queen" means "just be proudly gay". The combination of the words is her adding wit to the music. It's pop after all. And you've ignored the entire bridge where she names all the types of person you can be that are not just drag queens.
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
I really dont like it wben i ask someone about something then they suggest me to use google.
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Click here for the google search.
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
This makes more sense because really I care more about shading Gaga and propping up Madonna than anything related to the LGBT community.
Clocking is the only thing that monsters can do in any discussion involving me
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Let me fix for you.
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It's a shame that stan wars/selective memory seem to have affected this list so as not to include Lady Gaga, one of the biggest gay icons in the world today. She has been sincere and extremely vocal about LGBT activism throughout her career, and she's been actually active (making speeches, donations, creating organizations, etc.)..so much so that her career has probably suffered for it (there are still many people who will not listen to Lady Gaga because they associate her with being gay/the LGBT community). Regardless of your personal opinion of her music/image/artistry, her involvement and support of the LGBT community is unquestionable and has been well before other artists hopped on the bandwagon.
Madonna and Janet Jackson are well deserved entries
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