[sgcat]

Originally posted by TalkThatTalk

Flops in the US

#64 Rockstar - video + 1 tv performance

#37 Californica King Bed - video + 2 TV performances - +160M views

#59 Man Down - only video - +260M V

#31 TTT - none

#14 YD1 - only video (platinum) - +100M V

#50 Right Now - none

#25 What Now - video - +95M V

when will your faves flops get Vevo certified?

but if im not wrong, all of katy's 'flops' are at least platinum. with the exception of birthday (which is her current single?)

so vevo certification is more impt than sales?

[Bey_Rihstan]

I'm just waiting for a Stan from another base to tell me a single that Rih massively promoted that flopped.

[zzmyth]

Originally posted by TheNight

Rihanna has plenty of hits, there's no denying that, but this statement just isn't true. Here's the ratio of Top 10 singles to those below the Top 10 for Gaga, Katy, and Rihanna in the US. (I included singles each artist is featured on as well, since some of Rihanna's biggest hits are features.)

Gaga: 13/18 singles
Katy: 13/19 singles
Rihanna: 25/54 singles

Now, if you find the common denominator for each, it's easier to see how they match up. (These numbers are a bit outrageous, but what can I say? It's the lowest common denominator. What they mean is that, based on their current hit-to-flop ratio, theoretically, if each artist put out 18,468 singles (), Gaga would have 13,338 Top 10's, Katy would have 12,636 Top 10's, and Rihanna would have 8,550 Top 10's.)

Gaga: 13,338/18,468 singles
Katy: 12,636/18,468 singles
Rihanna: 8,550/18,468 singles

I reiterate, Rihanna has plenty of Top 10's - just under twice as many as the two other artists I mentioned - but using her hit-to-flop ratio as a reason to ignore her underperformances is flawed logic.

And before some of you come at me - and you will - I'm not bashing any of the artists I mentioned. They all have their strengths, and they all have their weaknesses. I'm just pointing out some flawed logic on the part of some fans, and nothing more.

why dont we base this on #1s?

13 / 49 singles (dont know where your number comes from... but...) = 27%
3 / 18 singles = 17%
9 / 20 singles = 45%

[Rider]

Originally posted by PULSE.

Wait one min. Well look at this a double standard here.

What double standards?

[PULSE.]

Originally posted by Rihinvention

You Da One. Released: November 14, 2011 (peaked at #14)
Where Have You Been. Released: May 8, 2012 (peaked at #5)

Even if this was true, what's wrong with rush-releasing? Rush-releasing is actually the smart thing to do to mark the GP forget and move on to the next big smash hit. Look at Dark Horse and Unconditionally. You say rush-release like it's a bad thing hahahahaha

I've never said it was a bad thing or something was wrong with it. You all took as shade. The thread asked a question and I answered.

[Fenty The Great]

Originally posted by PULSE.

Are you stu·pid or nah? After R̶a̶i̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶M̶e̶n̶ ,CKB and Man Down flopped, they rushed out Cheers. After You Da One flopped they rushed out Where Have You Been then another flop came after and BAM new album. Rihanna's team pushes out a lot of singles. There is no denying it.

Yes sis, they RUSHED Where Have You Been even though it was released 6 months after And your argument doesn't even make sense because Cheers wasn't a flop and WFL came directly after that. Try again. Girls WISH they could chart as high as Rihanna's flops.

[EloiseheartsRiRi]

Originally posted by thegmangrant

Oh my gosh, "Why is Rihanna forgiven?"

Give me a ****ing break. You people are so ridiculous.

. She has achieved everything in that front and people still want to downgrade her success.

[swissman]

Originally posted by Rihinvention

Of course, but this isn't a competition. You're just asking why she's forgiven, and like this person said:



There's nothing to forgive. No one forgives Rihanna because she picks up her **** and she moves on. People don't see What Now as flopping because no one ever really expected it to smash. That was her expressing her artistic integrity with that video. That was risky af, especially when she had Jump, Nobody's Business and Phresh Out The Runway on her album.

What Now doesn't seem that risky. The only edgy thing is the video which I think people are used to from Rihanna. What Now as a song has a big chorus and coming off of Diamonds and Stay's success I don't see that as a risk.

[Bey_Rihstan]

Originally posted by sgcat

so taking risks is a valid excuse for underperformance? i see, thats a new argument here.

Yes

[DILF $]

Originally posted by NewRihannaStan

CKB flopped idk how . She promoted it a few times I guess top 40 hit is still good

This.
I'm still mad that CKB flopped so hard. I mean she promoted everywhere she even went to a country music awards to promote the song.

[Lein]

Originally posted by swissman

And the fact that Eminem is a still huge artist and this was a pop song.

Soooo? I don't get it

[JBJT2786]

Originally posted by PULSE.

Are you stu·pid or nah? After R̶a̶i̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶M̶e̶n̶ ,CKB and Man Down flopped, they rushed out Cheers. After You Da One flopped they rushed out Where Have You Been then another flop came after and BAM new album. Rihanna's team pushes out a lot of singles. There is no denying it.

Wait...top 20 hits are flops now? I guess Gaga and Katy have more flops than we thought....

[Rihinvention]

Originally posted by pulse.

i've never said it was a bad thing or something was wrong with it. You all took as shade. The thread asked a question and i answered.

I DON'T KNOW HAHAHAHAHA this thread is moving too quickly and it's giving me so much life and i'm not sure who is arguing what but god it feels good.

edit: This was meant to be in all caps

[Fenty The Great]

Yaaaas at the Navy clocking these girls so quickly though

[ᴇʀᴏs]

Originally posted by zzmyth

why dont we base this on #1s?

13 / 49 singles (dont know where your number comes from... but...) = 27%
3 / 18 singles = 17%
9 / 20 singles = 45%

I got the Rihanna numbers from here. I know it's Wikipedia, but how else was I to find a list of all her singles? I assumed it was correct, my bad.

And yes, Rihanna and Katy have so many #1's.

But my point still stands. Even if you just include #1's, Rihanna's ratio isn't stellar. But again, those 13 #1's are extremely commendable. It's just the ratio that's not.

[Mr.Marvelous]

Originally posted by Rihinvention

So suddenly this is about ratios and fractions? Because all I see is you bragging about how Rihanna has 4 more number 1s and 4 more albums.

I mean, can you imagine Katy or Gaga releasing yearly albums filled with urban songs like Pour It Up or Cockiness?
Only one ICON can do this.

[EloiseheartsRiRi]

Well she is the most successful female artist in UK for example after Madonna.
Rihanna is the only female artist to have a number one hit single in five consecutive years in the UK, and also secured the longest running number one of the last decade with 2007’s ‘Umbrella’, which retained the top spot for ten consecutive weeks. She has achieved 3 million selling singles in there. Her success is too big and global.

[thirdward]

[Comedor]

Originally posted by EmRiNavy

Excuses? Those are facts, not excuses. How do you expect a song to smash if you won't promote it?

So now you understand, interesting.

[TalkThatTalk]

Originally posted by sgcat

so vevo certification is more impt than sales?

No
I was joking