[JessPop]

Originally posted by Wafflinson

I digress though. I have other things to do than argue with someone who is not interested in the truth because they are so obsessed with the idea that anyone with an ounce of fat on their body is on a speedrail to death by heart disease.

So melodramatic just because you can't shove your incorrect ideas and notions down everyone's throat and magically turn it into fact. You're pathetic for not viewing this from the perspective of someone that isn't stuck in the mindset of an overweight person (as you clearly are). You should take the time to address your personal issues outside of ATRL.

This really isn't the correct place for you to be seeking affirmation about your body and lifestyle choices. It MAKES SENSE that being overweight would most likely lead to more significant weight gain in the future. You know nothing outside of what you choose to believe and twist your set of "facts" into.

[highwayuni]

Originally posted by Wafflinson

Plenty of diets are unhealthy.

Eating a cheeseburger for every meal can be called a "diet". It works for some people.... but it probably wouldn't be great for an obese person.

I live in college dorms with football players who eat 5-6k calories a day. Somehow I doubt following their "diet" would make me healthier.

Eating cheeseburgers all the time is detrimental to your health. It causes strokes, heart attacks and all types of issues.

It all depends on your lifestyle. If you're eating 3000 calories+ a day with lots of sugars and fats but only have an office job then you probably will get fat unless you exercise. Though eating 5K calories+ a day may end up backfiring, the football players also do a lot of exercise to burn it off and keep their bodies healthy. If they have a lot of muscle and do a lot of exercise then they will need the extra calories to achieve and maintain a certain weight as well as to replace the calories lost through exercise.

I don't believe in fat shaming, but I do try and educate people and influence them so they aren't ignorant on the subject of diet and health.

[Wafflecakes]

Originally posted by JessPop

So melodramatic just because you can't shove your incorrect ideas and notions down everyone's throat and magically turn it into fact. You're pathetic for not viewing this from the perspective of someone that isn't stuck in the mindset of an overweight person (as you clearly are). You should take the time to address your personal issues outside of ATRL.

This really isn't the correct place for you to be seeking affirmation about your body and lifestyle choices. It MAKES SENSE that being overweight would most likely lead to more significant weight gain in the future. You know nothing outside of what you choose to believe and twist your set of "facts" into.

At least I present actual data to support my ideas. Primary sources from actual studies that support my theories. With actual numbers to represent the full range over weights.

Meanwhile all you have is talk and tertiary sources that are designed by nature to be non specific.





You are trying to clip your nails with a chainsaw.

[JessPop]

Originally posted by highwayuni

Eating cheeseburgers all the time is detrimental to your health. It causes strokes, heart attacks and all types of issues.

It all depends on your lifestyle. If you're eating 3000 calories+ a day with lots of sugars and fats but only have an office job then you probably will get fat unless you exercise. Though eating 5K calories+ a day may end up backfiring, the football players also do a lot of exercise to burn it off and keep their bodies healthy. If they have a lot of muscle and do a lot of exercise then they will need the extra calories to achieve and maintain a certain weight as well as to replace the calories lost through exercise.

I don't believe in fat shaming, but I do try and educate people and influence them so they aren't ignorant on the subject of diet and health.

My point exactly. He or she knows absolutely nothing about real dietary plans or what even just makes plain old common sense but has the nerve to become so indignant and ignorant with every growing response. Just admit that you're biased due to whatever your current situation is and move on instead of championing non-sense for hours on end.

[Yourfavefan]

Originally posted by JessPop

Clearly this thread is asking for an opinion on what we find to be socially acceptable in terms of addressing overweight people about their weight issues.

I don't believe in coddling and lying to people by telling them that being overweight makes them equally as healthy as someone who works out everyday and eats well. It's cute that you want to cart out these supposed years of "researched" facts. At the end of the day you are just one currently (or formerly) overweight person who is in your feelings because you felt you were treated unfairly in HS. That doesn't make you special or unique. And it also doesn't make your inaccurate information correct or invalidate someone else's opinion. It's common sense and has been discussed many times before.

Holy ****.. you are so patronizing.. where is your diploma on health?? Common sense? Do you mean stigmatized ideas of what obese people go through . You need proper education.. Please don't help anyine, because you will only make it worse

[Wafflecakes]

Originally posted by JessPop

My point exactly. He or she knows absolutely nothing about real dietary plans or what even just makes plain old common sense but has the nerve to become so indignant and ignorant with every growing response. Just admit that you're biased due to whatever your current situation is and move on instead of championing non-sense for hours on end.

Oh please. I wasn't even disagreeing with what he was saying.

I simply pointed out that "Diet" can mean anything. Diets can be healthy or unhealthy depending on the circumstances.




I hope and pray no one around you actually needs help, because you are the last person i would want helping someone.

[Summertime Love]

To be honest, I don't know what to say.

[JessPop]

Originally posted by Yourfavefan

Holy ****.. you are so patronizing.. where is your diploma on health?? Common sense? Do you mean stigmatized ideas of what obese people go through . You need proper education.. Please don't help anyine, because you will only make it worse

And where is your degree in any health or medical profession to refute my beliefs? Exactly. You actually have somewhat agreed with a point that I was making earlier which is that there isn't any major difference between a overweight person and an obese person because both are overweight and one just leads to a more extreme version of itself. It's sad that some people can't see and accept that logic.

[Wafflecakes]

Originally posted by JessPop

And where is your degree in any health or medical profession to refute my beliefs? Exactly. You actually have somewhat agreed with a point that I was making earlier which is that there isn't any major difference between a overweight person and an obese person because both are overweight and one just leads to a more extreme version of itself. It's sad that some people can't see and accept that logic.

I think the core disagreement between the two camps is this.

1. You believe that being overweight, but not morbidly obese, will eventually lead to being morbidly obese and those negative health effects.

2. On the other hand I believe that if the stigma went away people could sustain "overweight but healthy" lifestyles.

[JessPop]

Originally posted by Wafflinson

I think the core disagreement between the two camps is this.

1. You believe that being overweight, but not morbidly obese, will eventually lead to being morbidly obese and those negative health effects.

2. On the other hand I believe that if the stigma went away people could sustain "overweight but healthy" lifestyles.

Thank you for breaking that down for us as if everyone in here can't read and comprehend the English language. You've been stating for pages and pages now that people already maintain this supposedly "overweight but healthy" lifestyle that you speak of and truthfully the two are not mutually exclusive or even realistic at all. If you're overweight then at no point in time are you ever really healthy outside of meeting the lowest common denominator criteria. It's all unhealthy.

[Wafflecakes]

Originally posted by JessPop

Thank you for breaking that down for us as if everyone in here can't read and comprehend the English language. You've been stating for pages and pages now that people already maintain this supposedly "overweight but healthy" lifestyle that you speak of and truthfully the two are not mutually exclusive or even realistic at all. If you're overweight then at no point in time are you ever really healthy outside of meeting the lowest common denominator criteria. It's all unhealthy.

Ok. At this point you just really hate people who are not skinny....

I can think of no other explanation.

[JessPop]

Originally posted by Wafflinson

Ok. At this point you just really hate people who are not skinny....

I can think of no other explanation.

I don't hate non-skinny people. I'm just not going to encourage being on the brink and at risk of other possible health issues later on in life as 'perfectly normal' when it is not. Being overweight is not being healthy. I meant lowest common denominator in terms of nothing being wrong with you in that specific moment i.e. persistent cough, etc. Basic, run-of-the-mill questioning that you'd receive when you go in for an annual physical.

[Wafflecakes]

Originally posted by JessPop

I don't hate non-skinny people. I'm just not going to encourage being on the brink and at risk of other possible health issues later on in life as 'perfectly normal' when it is not. Being overweight is not being healthy. I meant lowest common denominator in terms of nothing being wrong with you in that specific moment i.e. persistent cough, etc. Basic, run-of-the-mill questioning that you'd receive when you go in for an annual physical.

Oh well. The facts don't agree with you.

Keep parading your anecdotal fat hating evidence in the face of my facts and studies.


From the number of supportive wall posts and pm's I have received during this debate I am confident that I made my case.

[uhoh-ohno]

Originally posted by MLover

I have a strong opinion when it comes to obesity and people letting it slide under the radar. Ever since moving to America I've witnessed it being more normal than abnormal to telling obese people that they are perfectly fine and beautiful within their body. I don't necessary agree with the correct term of fat shaming, however most people I've met believe that when you tell someone that they are unhealthy and need to change their body you are fat shaming them. So with this thread I wanna know is fat shaming wrong or right considering the circumstances and what exactly is fat shaming since we all seem the have different definition

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PLEASE READ ALL OF THE OP.

This is poorly veiled concern trolling. What you're saying seems to have more to do with how someone looks than how healthy someone is. Yes, obesity can lead to a whole slew of health problems, but you can't tell how healthy someone is simply by looking at him/her. That same person you think needs a talking to may meet all the blood and cholesterol benchmarks for health in spite of being overweight or obese. Unless you're that persons physician, then you wouldn't be privy to that information. I have a feeling you wouldn't go up to a thin person and concern troll them about a healthy lifestyle. You would probably just assume that they were "healthy" by virtue of being thin.

[Black Pearl]

Are we talking about morbidly obese people or just people who aren't skinny? If they're 500 pounds and endangering their life, then yes they need to lose weight and you should tell them - if they're just bigger and happen to be happy with themselves then your opinion doesn't matter seeing as they don't live their life to please you.

[Hobbes]

If their weight is putting their health at risk, then I see no problem in approaching that person about it. I put it in the same category as approaching a smoker about trying to cut down for the sake of their health.

[zach]

Originally posted by Jae

If their weight is putting their health at risk, then I see no problem in approaching that person about it. I put it in the same category as approaching a smoker about trying to cut down for the sake of their health.

This. Like if someone just has some extra pounds and they are still healthy, what are you doing?

[Hobbes]

Originally posted by zach

This. Like if someone just has some extra pounds and they are still healthy, what are you doing?

Exactly. At that point it's just being picky about someone's body image.

[GlitterfiedCyrus]

It is most definitely wrong. Obviously obesity is a problem, but it's not your place to tell people they need to lose weight. It could be from other health issues, they could already be working on it etc and overall it's not your body so not your business. Unless they are maybe are close family member or friend and you are genuinely concerned for their health and want to try and help them but otherwise, no.

[Fireman25]

If you're not fat and you're healthy, then who do care if someone is overweight? You can't make everyone lose weight, they have to want it and sometimes people are like that not because of just bad eating habits, some people are overweight because of diseases and they can't control it.


Like this recent story about this girl who is overweight because of a medical condition and now she is getting treatment for it. So sometimes you can't judge a book by it's a cover before knowing the full story on why they are like that.