[Afterglow]

I don't know why anyone would bump this anyway, it's pointless. Let it die.

[Travis10]

Originally posted by Afterglow

Are you 10 years old? Serious question.

Rofl at the age card. I'm glad you're a member of this site.


And btw, with failures like Raven, it's not just herself, but her mgmt as well.

[Queh]

omg

[Derrick]

Originally posted by Afterglow

Because it WAS a success, and Raven is the only one that did the promotional tour. Martin did one appearance, and you know why. Disney wanted Raven to get top billing so the little kids that love 'Raven Baxter/Symone' would go see the movie. Fact. Martin Lawrence doesn't appeal to any of those kids that saw that movie, be real. When I went to see the movie (twice), a lot of the kids in the theater were just talking about Raven as the film credits rolled.

what the hell are you talking about? Martin did JUST as much promotion AS raven did. I have the entire promotional tour ON paper from Disney.
Him and Donny both did promotional rounds SEPARATE from raven.
Raven did not steal this movie, SHE was not the reason for its success. It was Donny, the pig, and Mr. Lawrence.
People have forgotten about Raven and she is to blame, you sit here and try to make up excuses for the crap she does which is fine and you are clearly a great fan. But in the real world she would be FIRED in any 9-5 job.
She didn't make this album for anyone, she did it because she was contractually obligated to do so.
I would be like, GO RAVEN you know if she WROTE any of the music on the album which she didn't.
She then complains because no one buys her albums but wonders why... she has zero interest in what she does and it shows. It's time for her to leave the business, take her money and do something with herself that makes her happy and HER AGE. She acts like a little old lady and it shows, I know zero 22 year olds like Raven.
Then again, all of you attacking the sane people are couped up in your own little worlds.

[Rico Shameless v2]

Originally posted by Afterglow

Because it WAS a success, and Raven is the only one that did the promotional tour. Martin did one appearance, and you know why. Disney wanted Raven to get top billing so the little kids that love 'Raven Baxter/Symone' would go see the movie. Fact. Martin Lawrence doesn't appeal to any of those kids that saw that movie, be real. When I went to see the movie (twice), a lot of the kids in the theater were just talking about Raven as the film credits rolled.

You are truly sad and delusional to say Raven was the reason for that film's success. If she wasn't in there it would've had the same success. The film was a family movie from the start, so parents would've taken their kids regardless if she was in there.

[letscauseascene1]

she needs to pack her bags and head on that "double dutch bus" away the hell from here!!!

[Stepfon]

Wow, at this. I think she just needs to do more mature projects and stop all the kiddy stuff.

[madonnafan18]

Originally posted by Stepfon

Wow, at this. I think she just needs to do more mature projects and stop all the kiddy stuff.

I agree. She would have a bigger fanbase if she did just that.

[*-*]

raven has a better career than britney and madonna
at least she can sing
facty

[madonnafan18]

Originally posted by *-*

raven has a better career than britney and madonna
at least she can sing
facty

Please just go away.

[*-*]

sorry if i touched a nerve
it is well known madonna cant sing
raven is an r&b vocalist

[Tibbits]

Originally posted by *-*

sorry if i touched a nerve
it is well known madonna cant sing
raven is an r&b vocalist

[scenekiller]

Originally posted by *-*

raven has a better career than britney and madonna
at least she can sing
facty

There's no fact in that. There's no way to prove who's a "better" singer between the three of them, and there's no way to prove who has a "better" career, because ALL of it is based on opinion.
"Facty".

[Afterglow]

Originally posted by Derrick

She didn't make this album for anyone, she did it because she was contractually obligated to do so.
I would be like, GO RAVEN you know if she WROTE any of the music on the album which she didn't.
She then complains because no one buys her albums but wonders why... she has zero interest in what she does

Because you know Raven on a personal level and what's going on in her life right?

Originally posted by yuminari.

There's no fact in that. There's no way to prove who's a "better" singer between the three of them, and there's no way to prove who has a "better" career, because ALL of it is based on opinion.
"Facty".

Well, you have to admit Raven does have more vocal range and is a better vocalist than those two. But Idk if that mean's she's a better singer. But for me it does, I mean it's like saying Vanessa Carlton is less talented than Britney Spears.

[!!!]

Originally posted by yuminari.

There's no fact in that. There's no way to prove who's a "better" singer between the three of them, and there's no way to prove who has a "better" career, because ALL of it is based on opinion.
"Facty".

[eli's_rhythm]

Originally posted by Derrick

I am the one who owned the site and I am glad alot of you sane people did not attack me because you LOVE RAVEN OH SO MUCH.
I do no not regret saying what I did and all the fans here can cry all they want about me being a fool for closing the site or not selling it.
I didn't ask for any attention, but I am glad it happened. Now her management and Raven know how lame they all are.
I was tired of dealing with incompetent unprofessionals from her management team.
I constantly contacted them for information and none of them knew anything.
I was lucky enough to be INVITED to meet raven by DISNEY for her promotional tour of her movie "College Road Trip" and she was a bitch, oh well my loss. I didn't freak when I met her and she was only someone nice because of who I was. She may have been having a bad day and she did try to be nice, I could tell she was. However you could tell she wasn't really a nice person (at least that day)
I am freaking 22 years old, I never worshiped her or whatever.
Some of you may do that, but I like to live in the real world and if she messed up I want her to know that, just as I would want someone to tell me when I mess up.
She ****ed up with this year, her website is nothing and hasn't been updated in months nor did it mention her own album or any future projects.
The thing with Raven is she works to work, she doesn't care about the promotion part where the fans come in.
All of it just shows she doesn't care for her fans which she doesn't, only when it's convenient for her.

Fantastic post

[[Bask]]

Poor Raven !!!

Haterz are so pathetic !

[scenekiller]

Originally posted by Afterglow

Because you know Raven on a personal level and what's going on in her life right?




Well, you have to admit Raven does have more vocal range and is a better vocalist than those two. But Idk if that mean's she's a better singer. But for me it does, I mean it's like saying Vanessa Carlton is less talented than Britney Spears.

I can admit she has a wider range, but I don't think she's a better vocalist. Why? Because in my opinion, she doesn't connect with her music as well as Madonna does, or Britney did, pre-Blackout.

Like I said, it all depends on opinion.

[eli's_rhythm]

Originally posted by Afterglow

Because you know Raven on a personal level and what's going on in her life right?

He knows her better than any of us, at least he met her.

Well, you have to admit Raven does have more vocal range and is a better vocalist than those two. But Idk if that mean's she's a better singer. But for me it does, I mean it's like saying Vanessa Carlton is less talented than Britney Spears.

"Talent" has many meanings. I don't think Madonna is musically talented, but she's a marketing machine. Janet Jackson is not vocally talented, but her moves are second to only her brother's. Mariah Carey has a great voice but no stage presence. Etc.

[Afterglow]

Originally posted by eli's_rhythm

He knows her better than any of us, at least he met her.


"Talent" has many meanings. I don't think Madonna is musically talented, but she's a marketing machine. Janet Jackson is not vocally talented, but her moves are second to only her brother's. Mariah Carey has a great voice but no stage presence. Etc.

Just because you get a "hi" and "bye" and a couple words in between from someone doesn't mean you know them any better than anyone else. ALOT of Raven fans have met her.

"Talent" doesn't relate to a 'marketing machine' imo. Dancing, yes that's a talent, singing (although I don't like Mariah's voice) is a talent as well. Acting, playing an instrument is a talent as well. We can all admit Raven has talent. Whether her management/label will choose to manage that talent well can only be told by time.