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Fan Base: Archived: Lady Gaga (#2)
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Originally posted by toanythingtaboo
The only way to get something 'deeper' to them is to disguise it. You need enough POP to help the medicine (ART) go down.
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I agree. She didn't promote her songs as "art" prior to ARTPOP, she promoted her image and performance art mainly. Around 2010-2011 she started promoting her social agendas publicly - that is when, I believe, she started to lose her way and vision that she had before.
P.S. nick4bty it's nice to see that your persona changes along with your avatar. A true #ARTPOPMessage.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by nick4bty
There's no way she doesn't get at least a Pop Vocal Album nom. That's a guarantee. AOTY nom would be nice but unlikely if she can't revive sales. The major categories are basically losses, but Dope has the most potential I feel.
I'm pretty Beyonce is going to sweep this year, and if Adele releases between now and September, we have no chance in hell  But noms would be nice. |
Bey has AOTY, but so far she she has no real contender for SOTY/ROTY. We've to wait for the break out track that'll come during the run up to summer most likely. I agree ARTPOP has a solid chance at Pop Vocal Album if Grammys want any credibility when they nominate PRISM for the same category. If Gaga delivers on GUY, she could get a shot at winning Short Form Video but you never know... the competition last year was pathetic for it. Even one more Grammy from the pre-show ceremony would be great. Plus once she nominated there's no way she wouldn't be asked to perform since she was a no-show last year.
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I need Hedi Slimane & Nick Knight to come and slay another couple of shoots with her
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by toanythingtaboo
Yup.
I thought BTW would have been enough of a wake up call, but in hindsight...BTW was still a huge success despite the negativity, so it's no wonder they didn't crack down. They probably thought that she just needed to lighten up, be more pop and people would love her again. They obviously weren't too concerned if they didn't insist on hitmakers/collabs bar last minute (probably post-Applause) additions.
Now is a different story. The past 8 months has been eye opening for her, her team and her label. Due to ARTPOP's underperformance, the messiness of the campaign and the success of her peers...they should have learnt a lot. There's no way she isn't getting competitive right now, and I'd be very surprised if her label aren't tightening things up and supporting her as much as possible.
I think the biggest lessons have been:
1. Complacency - they were very complacent and occasionally smug with the music and her profile. I bet she thought she knew exactly how to play it and what the masses would eat up.
2. Efficiency - her team needs to be a well oiled machine in order to compete. This isn't the amateur leagues - she's playing with the pros. They HAVE to step it up. You can't just grind to a halt and fall apart. Even if it was out of her control - her label should have rescued.
3. Awareness - whilst we can't pull the classic "no promo" excuse, it's obvious that they downscaled compared to BTW(/Prism) and they didn't up the ante when things struggled. That's poor promotion.
4. Response - she got away with her ARTPOP malarky before because she still had the novelty factor. That's gone. When phenomenons die down, you have to then play by the same rules as everyone else...and that's that people simply want catchy, fresh pop delivered with entertaining visuals. If you try and force anything else down their throats, they'll close their mouths. The only way to get something 'deeper' to them is to disguise it. You need enough POP to help the medicine (ART) go down.
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I agree 
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by nick4bty
There's no way she doesn't get at least a Pop Vocal Album nom. That's a guarantee.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Bey has AOTY, but so far she she has no real contender for SOTY/ROTY. We've to wait for the break out track that'll come during the run up to summer most likely. I agree ARTPOP has a solid chance at Pop Vocal Album if Grammys want any credibility when they nominate PRISM for the same category. If Gaga delivers on GUY, she could get a shot at winning Short Form Video but you never know... the competition last year was pathetic for it. Even one more Grammy from the pre-show ceremony would be great. Plus once she nominated there's no way she wouldn't be asked to perform since she was a no-show last year.
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Yeah a hit single could change everything. Act II could change things too if it's released before October. Right now, there really isn't any shoo-in for ROTY or SOTY.
I thought for sure Applause would at least get nominated for Short Form MV. 
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Originally posted by Rusty
You're possibly forgetting about a song there... you know, the one with the most replayability of any Lady Gaga single yet?
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Applause is better than BTW singles, but idk..I mean if the album is going to be titled ARTPOP then I suppose. If the album was given a good title with a good concept then idk about Applause.
I still use the song no matter what
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Originally posted by Meowster
Speechless > all ballads > Jewels N Drugs > Swine/Diamonds remix > Brown Eyes
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Jfdke I forgot about Speechless and I love it so much It is better than Dope and Brown Eyes for sure. I might switch between that and YAI though.
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Member Since: 5/5/2012
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ARTPOP gets so much unnecessary hate. 
It only has 3 flaws IMO:
1. The cough at the beginning of Jewels N' Drugs (  ) and how the song abruptly ends. The last 'MONEY' from Swinefest >>>
2. "Swine" vocals. They sound somewhat forced and annoying, Gaga should have re-recorded them. I also wish the piano intro from Swinefest would have stayed.
3. "Dope" vocals. They sound really messy at the beginning. The Howard Stern performance ones >>>
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Originally posted by nick4bty
Yeah a hit single could change everything. Act II could change things too if it's released before October. Right now, there really isn't any shoo-in for ROTY or SOTY.
I thought for sure Applause would at least get nominated for Short Form MV. |
I thought for the sake of getting Gaga to attend it would get nominated, let alone the fact that it was photographer-directed artsy-fartsy... I mean Suit & Tie? Really?
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Originally posted by BlondUnicorn
ARTPOP gets so much unnecessary hate.
It only has 3 flaws IMO:
1. Jewels N' Drugs ( )
2. "Swine"
3. Donatella |
Fixed 
All 3 should've been bonus tracks.
The fact there's no regular and deluxe edition
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by BlondUnicorn
ARTPOP gets so much unnecessary hate.
It only has 3 flaws IMO:
1. The cough at the beginning of Jewels N' Drugs ( ) and how the song abruptly ends. The last 'MONEY' from Swinefest >>>
2. "Swine" vocals. They sound somewhat forced and annoying, Gaga should have re-recorded them. I also wish the piano intro from Swinefest would have stayed.
3. "Dope" vocals. They sound really messy at the beginning. The Howard Stern performance ones >>> |
The best thing about the Stern vocals is when she goes for the HIGH FOR SO LONG part you think her voice will crack and not make it up there but she nails it each time.
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Originally posted by Negev
I agree. She didn't promote her songs as "art" prior to ARTPOP, she promoted her image and performance art mainly. Around 2010-2011 she started promoting her social agendas publicly - that is when, I believe, she started to lose her way and vision that she had before.
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I think she got delusions of grandeur. She thought - not exactly baselessly after her success - that she could get away with her 'art'.
Sorry Gaga, the "GP" don't want any of that. Lowest common denominator pop reigns supreme. There's a reason why more interesting acts fade whilst popstars remain. Madonna had to pander, too.
Adele will have to face this (albeit different) reality soon enough as well. Right now she's riding the phenomenon and she'll get away with her act (slow tempo, non-generic soul-pop, simple visuals etc.) for the moment, but it won't last. It'll get "boring/stale/predictable" and people will move on when she doesn't evolve and play the pop game (uptempo, dance, visuals etc.). Again, there's a reason why we don't have Adele-types in the charts for years.
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ARTPOP is super commercial tho (or tries to be at least). She just always has the tendency to add something completely polarizing (and unnecessary) to an otherwise single worthy song and completely kills its potential 
And the aesthetic this era is so cheap, amateur and tacky looking and makes her look like a second rate popstar
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Every song on ARTPOP is listenable to me  I used to skip Gypsy and Dope, but they've grown on me. There is no consistency and the album is all over the place. Mary Jane Holland to Dope might be the smartest transition on the album
But the album is a bunch of average to good tracks that don't go anywhere as one full album. I was hoping she would have made tracks 1-7 relatable and catchy. While tracks 8-14 could have been more experimental. Yet still all consistent with her overall concept. Her idea of 'art pop' could work better visually through her videos, just as they used to. I guess I have an issue with Gaga trying to sell a concept and well, not doing it.
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So who all has artpop ball tickets? I'm going to the Vegas and Detroit shows.
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Originally posted by slobro
ARTPOP is super commercial tho. She just always has the tendency to add something completely polarizing (and unnecessary) to an otherwise single worthy song and completely kills its potential
I t also doesn't help that her entire aesthetic this era is super cheap and tacky looking and she herself usually looks like a mess (and not a hot sexy mess like TF/TFM, but a ugly mess) |
But you are right. I mean she slayed some amazing looks, but it's so inconstant. BTW era says hi again.
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Every song on ARTPOP is listenable to me I used to skip Gypsy and Dope, but they've grown on me. There is no consistency and the album is all over the place. Mary Jane Holland to Dope might be the smartest transition on the album
But the album is a bunch of average to good tracks that don't go anywhere as one full album. I was hoping she would have made tracks 1-7 relatable and catchy. While tracks 8-14 could have been more experimental. Yet still all consistent with her overall concept. Her idea of 'art pop' could work better visually through her videos, just as they used to. I guess I have an issue with Gaga trying to sell a concept and well, not doing it. |
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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It just should have been 10 songs.
1. G.U.Y
2. Aura (original)
3. Sexxx Dreams
4. Venus (a X dreams to Venus transition >>)
5. MANiCURE
6. Do What U Want
7. ARTPOP
8. Mary Jane Holland
9. Dope
10. Applause
Would have been perf 
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Originally posted by toanythingtaboo
I think she got delusions of grandeur. She thought - not exactly baselessly after her success - that she could get away with her 'art'.
Sorry Gaga, the "GP" don't want any of that. Lowest common denominator pop reigns supreme. There's a reason why more interesting acts fade whilst popstars remain. Madonna had to pander, too.
Adele will have to face this (albeit different) reality soon enough as well. Right now she's riding the phenomenon and she'll get away with her act (slow tempo, non-generic soul-pop, simple visuals etc.) for the moment, but it won't last. It'll get "boring/stale/predictable" and people will move on when she doesn't evolve and play the pop game (uptempo, dance, visuals etc.). Again, there's a reason why we don't have Adele-types in the charts for years.
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I agree. I guess Gaga did have "yes-men" around her, and she sort of forgot people are waiting to see her crash and burn. She was much more aware of it in the past, but she got comfortable.
The Adele bit is also true, I admire how she became famous and known world-wide but I doubt she'll stay around.
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Originally posted by slobro
ARTPOP is super commercial tho. She just always has the tendency to add something completely polarizing (and unnecessary) to an otherwise single worthy song and completely kills its potential |
I wish the era had more of this... 
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