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Discussion: Does flopping prevent singers from becoming Legends?
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if yall consider Mariah a legend then Xtina definitely is a legend
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Member Since: 11/25/2008
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One Sweet Day only went #1 in 3 Countries -
Canadian Singles Chart 1
New Zealand Singles Chart 1
US Billboard Hot 100 1
Feel This Moment went #1 in over 6 -
Bulgaria (BAMP) 1
Czech Republic (IFPI) 1
Poland (Dance Top 50) 1
Spain (PROMUSICAE) 1
UK Dance (Official Charts Company) 1
US Dance/Electronic Songs (Billboard) 1
Etc...
Look up any Mimi song, and you'll see a pattern. Basically all her songs that went #1 in the states only went #1 in like 2 other countries.
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According to this Mariah isn't a legend.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by davidlikestacos
if yall consider Mariah a legend then Xtina definitely is a legend
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by MCBeth
Are you really the one to talk about essays though?  Touché.
Don't backtrack now. You could have easily said critics, which is what they are but you chose not to say that. Surely you cannot fault me for thinking you were referring to the average listener/GP. And in any case, it doesn't matter what one journalist off a random website said because the album is not and was not a flop. There is simply no way around it. 
I don't think you are comprehending what I'm saying correctly: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. |
Let's see, looking at the size of your last post and mine, yes I think I can lol
There is no backtracking I wasn't trying to be evasive. Maybe in your mind critics cannot be classified as people, but to me, it's all say the same. Who looks at the word "people" and assumes it must only mean GP?  And those are credible news source too especially the NY Times one. Back in the 90s, gossip sites and blogs didn't really exist yet, so it's not about that.
I understand you completely. I get that you don't remember it lol
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Member Since: 11/25/2008
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Originally posted by Sanity
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Global iTunes Artist Ranking -
27 Christina Aguilera
150 Mariah Carey
- http://kworb.net/itunes/
Ever since the late 90s, X's been more successful. Since you think success makes you a legend, if Mimi's 1 then so's X.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by atrlster
The essay  You can twist those articles as much as you want, but they state what I've said, that there were people out there who viewed that album as a flop. The people who wrote these articles aren't people? One of that article even mangles The King of Pop into something else. And they aren't the only 2 articles in the world to call it a flop Again, whether you think it deserves to be viewed as a flop or not not is a different discussion
Now you don't remember  And I think we were okay at first, but I always knew something was off about you when you kept insisting upon that and I kept denying that . Like I said I'll remember if I posted my picture or not lol
Like I said, there are different ways of looking at it. I get where you're coming from your JLO analogy and I guess to me, the whole debate between Bionic/CB/Lotus/Glitter reminded me a bit of what's going on with people here debating which is more successful between the new Avril Lavigne album, Lotus, and Britney Jean. It's like, okay even if someone finds a way to make one seem marginally better than the other, at the end of the day, they all still didn't do well  |
Are you really the one to talk about essays though? Touché.
Don't backtrack now. You could have easily said critics, which is what they are but you chose not to say that. Surely you cannot fault me for thinking you were referring to the average listener/GP when you kept saying "people", "they", etc. As an avid Bionic defender, I'm sure you can see from the article that you posted that they're more fixated on his personal life so I wouldn't use those articles as evidence. And in any case, it doesn't matter what a journalist off a random website or two said because the album is not and was not a flop. There is simply no way around it. It's not a matter of opinion. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't and that's the way it is.
I don't think you are comprehending what I'm saying correctly: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I've said this for like 3-4 comments in a row, I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. Like, what is hard to understand about my comment? You keep referring to a...conversation (?) that I have no recollection of......like....
That's a given. None of those albums did well. Charmy didn't do well but that's not the point of those threads nor the point of bringing up Charmy in this thread. No one is deluding themselves into thinking that any of these albums were a success. Some just did worse than others.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by atrlster
Let's see, looking at the size of your last post and mine, yes I think I can lol
There is no backtracking I wasn't trying to be evasive. Maybe in your mind critics cannot be classified as people, but to me, it's all say the same. Who looks at the word "people" and assumes it must only mean GP? And those are credible news source too especially the NY Times one. Back in the 90s, gossip sites and blogs didn't really exist yet, so it's not about that.
I understand you completely. I get that you don't remember it lol |
Well I wasn't finished with my comment so that's why it was posted again. 
Stop being condescending. Of course critics are people but here on ATRL members people is usually referred to the GP and since you've been here a while, I thought that would be obvious. Like I said in my other post, a few critics doesn't mean all the critics felt of believed such to make it sound like it was unanimous. There is a general feeling that "Born This Way" was a flop. Was it? No. Was it a downgrade from TF + M? Yes. etc. Let this rest in peace.
Then why do you keep bringing it up? IDK what to tell you.... 
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Mariah is a legend. Xtina is not.
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Why are people saying Mariah is not a légend? Lol.
She is and wel at least she can do some concerts. People comes to her show. Xtina on thé other hand....
To stay on the topic, i'd say no if they make a come back.
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Mariah is a legend. Christina Aguilera is not
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by D.M.F
Global iTunes Artist Ranking -
27 Christina Aguilera
150 Mariah Carey
- http://kworb.net/itunes/
Ever since the late 90s, X's been more successful. Since you think success makes you a legend, if Mimi's 1 then so's X. |
We Belong Together was bigger than any Song xtina did past the year 2000....like....
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
Mariah is a legend. Christina Aguilera is not
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She has Grammys, Iconic Voice, Iconic Songs, A classic album, sold a large amount of albums & continues to remain relevant.
 Seems to me like she is a legend.
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Xtina's gone to #1 in more charts around the world than M can dream of which makes C/X a legend.
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Member Since: 11/25/2008
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
We Belong Together was bigger than any Song xtina did past the year 2000....like....
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We Belong Together only sold around 1.6m in the US. X songs like Ain't No Other Man, Feel This Moment, Say Something, etc have outsold the song with ease.
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Originally posted by Toysoldier99
She has Grammys, Iconic Voice, Iconic Songs, A classic album, sold a large amount of albums & continues to remain relevant.
Seems to me like she is a legend. |
Seems to me like you don't really know what a legend is. Commercial success and Grammys don't make you legends - just look at Aretha, Patti, Queen, etc. Impact & influence does.
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Originally posted by Toysoldier99
She has Grammys, Iconic Voice, Iconic Songs, A classic album, sold a large amount of albums & continues to remain relevant.
Seems to me like she is a legend. |
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Originally posted by D.M.F
Xtina's gone to #1 in more charts around the world than M can dream of which makes C/X a legend.
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Originally posted by D.M.F
We Belong Together only sold around 1.6m in the US. X songs like Ain't No Other Man, Feel This Moment, Say Something, etc have outsold the song with ease.
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Y'all trying too hard. Ask ANY regular citizen if they think Christina Aguilera is a legend in the music industry and they will say no. ATRL is too blinded by their stan glasses
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by MCBeth
Seems to me like you don't really know what a legend is. Commercial success and Grammys don't make you legends - just look at Aretha, Patti, Queen, etc. Impact & influence does.
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Impact: Classic Albums= Stripped, Classic Songs= Beautiful, Genie in a bottle, What a girl wants, Lady Marmalade,
Influence: Her Voice is praised by EVERYONE, she is constantly cited as influences by talented artists and people at talent shows.
Xtina is a Legend.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Ascension
Depends on the circumstances, what type of artist they are/career they had/have. For mainstream artists, commercial success is a major factor in legacy, but losing that power after a long term decade+ legacy is established doesn't matter. Like, who cares if you're no longer selling after 8-10 successful to massive albums? No one stays on top forever, but if you can only hold peoples' interest for 3-4 albums and then nosedive (without recovering), you probably won't have the long term presence and relevance needed to have what one would consider enough to be a legendary mainstream career. Mainstream/pop culture legends are typically cultural fixtures with at least 10+ years of notable success. Of course other factors play in as well like impact, influence, acclaim/awards etc. but typically those things become interconnected anyway.
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+1
Like others have stated, your post applies to only one person mention in the OP
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