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Fan Base: Kelly Clarkson
Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Music & Science
When you guys, MissedTheTrain and Bloo, start to talk like that, I feel like when I was in my first Molecular Biology class few years ago...  
But yeah, go and educate the unblessed souls  |
I can't deal with denial. That's something they'll have to sort out themselves before they convert to Clarksonism. 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 500
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Originally posted by dperkins
Close Your Eyes is so damn good. I love this song so much. I still can't believe it wasn't ever put on an album.
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MTE. It's too good to not be on an album. 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Bloo
I just love it when he tries to say that Kelly's G5's are forced and that she's singing "from the top of her larynx" while "shouting" and "rubbing her vocal cords together" in order to produce "a larger sound" than what her "natural voice" provides. The idea that she has to force to hit a G5 when she doesn't even have to scale up to belt an A5 or a C6, unlike Beyoncé, is just hilarious to me.  |
MTE, he's grasping at straws
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Originally posted by Music & Science
When you guys, MissedTheTrain and Bloo, start to talk like that, I feel like when I was in my first Molecular Biology class few years ago...
But yeah, go and educate the unblessed souls |
 Just go with it 
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Originally posted by Bloo
I can't deal with denial. That's something they'll have to sort out themselves before they convert to Clarksonism. |
I agree
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Another underrated demo is Lost, it's so pretty 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Apparently its ridiculous to say that Kelly has diversity, and its something that only her base believes 
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=525342&page=2
Oh, and apparently all of her "voices" sound the same for everything she sings, while a certain other screamer singer has vast differences between her vocal styles.
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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The first episode of ''The Crazy Ones'' is airing right now for the first time in Mexico/Latin America... People (from other latin countries) already said Kelly was the best of the show 
The Clarksonism invading Latin America 
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Valid arguments mtt. Could you snatch Stan of the year from n&S?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by dancepopCC
Valid arguments mtt. Could you snatch Stan of the year from n&S?
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Why thank you, and it would be a pleasure
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
Posts: 13,597
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Originally posted by MissBreakaway
The Celebrate My Drive performance is now officially cancelled. They're apparently looking for a replacement performer. Maybe her voice is in a bad shape due to her sickness or there are some other health problems...but something tells me we won't get to see or officially hear from her until June when her baby is born |
That sucks. I feel bad for the kids 
What if the baby is sucking Kelly's vocals away?! 
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Kelly can suck back the life forces from Brandon: gaycat:
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
Posts: 5,220
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Omg, my dream today was awesome. I was at a Kelly's Stronger Summer Tour show, and she was sitiing in the audience alone, and she had the blue dress from early 2013 photoshoot. I sat with her and I started talking to her, and it lasted for couple of minutes, then she went to the stage. When she was siging she was pointing at me all the time
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Member Since: 4/28/2011
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I heard "Don't waste your time" yesterday. It's her best song ever.
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Member Since: 3/7/2012
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Originally posted by Eyarimu
Okay, she was at that point when she was releasing AIEW. But seeing how poorly Dark Side and People Like Us have done, or that CMB was successful with the radio but not with YouTube, and that she's having a baby (who will probably make her use less promo spots), I'm worried about the next album. And if she doesn't remake the songs she recorded for Stronger 
What I'm happy with is that general public will have a rest from her releases and enjoy the next one. |
Kelly has never been a youtube force like Rihanna, Beyoncé or Katy. Plus CMB video is one of the most boring ones of her. Yeah yeah, I know she looks probably the best she ever did in it but overall it's boring, boring, boring. I've seen it only like five times because after like one minute I always wonder how long it will be for God's sake, because it is so boring.
And everyone has a few flop singles, I think there's nothing to worry about.
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Originally posted by MissBreakaway
The Celebrate My Drive performance is now officially cancelled. They're apparently looking for a replacement performer. Maybe her voice is in a bad shape due to her sickness or there are some other health problems...but something tells me we won't get to see or officially hear from her until June when her baby is born |
Oh.  I feel bad for the kids who participated in the program and did all the things to get Kelly to sing for them and now they're getting some flop....
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Originally posted by Bloo
You'll come to learn that the most defensive fanbase is the Christina base. I can't blame them. Kelly's Greatest Hits album alone sold more than both of Christina's previous two efforts combined. I can understand them being scared to admit that her career is slipping. I remember when Say Something was #1 on iTunes and they JUMPED at the opportunity to celebrate some success in her career even though she's just a featured artist.
And you'll also learn that the cockiest base is the BeyHive. Granted, they have receipts to be cocky about. However, Kelly and the Hive only clash when it comes to who's the top vocalist, as they're the only contenders and that typically involves Chimier and I absolutely hate arguing with him because his arguments are massively inconsistent (one time he claimed Kelly had holes in her vocal range because he couldn't find a certain note and then claimed she couldn't be a certain voice type because she should be able to go higher, but then said Whitney Houston was this voice type despite her highest note being MUCH lower than Kelly's), and he fails to understand that a lot of the sound of Kelly's voice is dependent on the genre of music she's singing. No one sings operatically when they're belting out to something like Since U Been Gone. In fact, I know a few great classical vocalists and they can't, for the life of them, belt out a Kelly song because it's so challenging. |
Haha, let me use this quote which describes fights on ATRL perfectly:
"The definition of insanity is to repeat the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result." 
I don't usually participate in the fights (I think the last one I participated in were about the infamous inauguration lipsyncing) because - and I don't want to sound snobby like "I'm very educated and super inteligent, you're all are stupid etc", no way, it's just that I'm currently reading a book about it for my philosophy class (which I hate because it's so boring) - I agree with the philosophy of Francis Bacon who says that we stick to our opinions no matter how wrong they are and even when there are proofs we're wrong and delusional and nobody is able to change our point of view. Of course it isn't like this everytime, some people are approachable when it comes to new / different opinions but ATRL proved that Mr. Bacon was pretty right. 
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Originally posted by Music & Science
When you guys, MissedTheTrain and Bloo, start to talk like that, I feel like when I was in my first Molecular Biology class few years ago... |
Haha, same here. Although I can play a few musical instruments, I've never been a "theory person" and I don't really care about the musical theory of singing or playing or making a sound, for me it was always more important to play and I can do it quite well without all the theories so I always just skim through the posts who are full of terms etc.
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Member Since: 3/7/2012
Posts: 11,952
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Bump
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Member Since: 3/7/2012
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BTW, which lurker reported Bloo? 
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Member Since: 3/7/2012
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And another sad week without any Kelly on Billboard charts...
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Member Since: 3/7/2012
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Was this posted?
(taken from http://www.kelly-clarkson.net/us/bom...elly-clarkson/ )
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For 12 years, American Idol has been one of the biggest success stories in the music industry. Even as the reality singing competition series experiences some signs of aging, there is no doubt that the show has provided an immensely influential promotional platform for undiscovered talent and a sanctuary from some of the industry’s post-Napster blues.
But as shown by a new lawsuit filed on Thursday by 19 Recordings against Sony Music, the story of how the industry has leveraged American Idol into one chart-topper after the next is not without allegations of greed and corruption. The complaint filed in New York federal court and obtained by The Hollywood Reporter also explores some cutting-edge issues on the digital side of the business.
19 Recordings was founded by American Idol creator Simon Fuller and is now controlled by the show’s owner, Core Media Group. In the lawsuit, 19, and by extension all of the artists — including Kelly Clarkson, Clay Aiken, Carrie Underwood and Chris Daughtry — who have entered into deals as part of their participation on Idol, claim that Sony Music has been systematically robbing them of millions of dollars in royalties. The lawsuit, seeking at least $10 million in damages, was filed after 19 exercised the right to audit Sony’s books pursuant to recording agreements, and the parties couldn’t come to any settlement.
“We did not want to have to file this lawsuit, but Sony left us no choice, so this became necessary to protect our artists,” says 19 Entertainment worldwide head of music Jason Morey. “Our complaint lays out the claims in great detail. Everything we have to say about the case is set forth in it.”
Richard Busch at King & Ballow adds, “We have investigated this thoroughly and feel strongly about the claims.”
Perhaps the biggest claim — both monetarily as well as one that could impact record companies and musicians well beyond the Idol universe — deals with the alleged underpayment of streaming royalties.
Sony is among the larger music entities that has forged licensing deals with streaming services run by Spotify, Google and Apple.
But the lawsuit says that Sony is accounting for the exploitation of master recordings here as “sales” or “distributions” rather than as “broadcasts” or “transmissions.” The distinction might sound like semantics, but it is nevertheless important. By treating streaming music as sales, Sony is essentially saying that such deliveries are no different than downloads purchased on Apple or Amazon. And with that, Sony would be forking over significantly less money under the terms of the company’s recording agreements — the difference between a 50 percent royalty share for a “transmission/broadcast” versus a fraction of that for a “sale/distribution.” The plaintiff says the discrepancy has resulted in at least $3 million in damages.
“Such exploitation can only be fairly described as ‘transmissions’ or ‘broadcasts,’ and, upon information and belief, are so described in the licenses or other agreements between Sony and the streaming services,” says the lawsuit. “However, Sony has nevertheless accounted to 19 for all streaming income received at the lower Album rate as if the exploitation between the streaming service and the end user was described as a ‘distribution’ or ‘sale’ and, by so doing, Sony has breached the Recording Agreements.”
The lawsuit then goes into other ways in which Sony is allegedly cheating on music from Idol alumni.
For instance, Sony is accused of improperly deducting money spent on television advertising. The plaintiff says that Sony once requested a “royalty break” on a proposed TV ad spend in New Zealand and the United Kingdom for the Kelly Clarkson album My December, which 19 refused. Allegedly, Sony doesn’t always ask. According to the lawsuit, Sony is able to recoup ad money by finagling the math — working to its own advantage the alleged distinction between an “individual” ad campaign and an “aggregate” ad campaign so as to not exceed maximum spends allowed by contract.
According to the lawsuit, “Sony’s interpretation would lead to the absurd result of potentially allowing it the ability to conduct an unlimited number of TV and/or radio advertising campaigns in a given country for a particular Album without ever seeking 19′s prior approval so long as each individual campaign, however limited, was within the specified required range.”
19 also alleges that Sony has made other improper deductions over things like music videos, has incorrectly paid royalties on joint venture compilation albums, has improperly calculated escalated royalty rates in instances of more-than-a-million-selling albums, is failing to pay over money from past lawsuits, is improperly deducting foreign income taxes, is underreporting or not reporting at all synchronization master uses in films and TV shows, and more.
The accusations fly two ways. Apparently, in response to some of these accounting allegations, Sony has made arguments that it has overpaid 19 on certain items.
“Sony attempts to state compilation albums are not albums,” says the lawsuit, which rejects the premise as merely another excuse for a lower royalty rate.
The lawsuit also includes a novel discussion over whether Sony is gaming iTunes. On that Apple platform, consumers can buy 99 cent singles or $9.99 albums, but for accounting purposes, things get immensely tricky rather quickly.
What happens when consumers purchase multiple tracks off an album? Is that treated as the equivalent of an album purchase for the purpose of figuring out when artists are due bonus royalty escalators? Should royalty rates for singles apply even though consumers are choosing tracks off of iTunes’ album section? And what happens when a song like Clarkson’s “All I Ever Wanted” is available for purchase as both “All I Ever Wanted – Single” and as a track from the album All I Ever Wanted?
The lawsuit says that Sony takes advantage by pretty much always delivering answers in its favor — or, as the case may be, treating downloaded tracks as singles as much as possible. The plaintiff says this is unfair because there are no extra manufacturing, marketing or promotional costs associated with individual songs available for purchase separately. For its part, Sony claims that it has overpaid royalty participants on digital track downloads, according to the suit.
The legal salvo comes at a perilous time for singing competition shows. Fox has just canceled X Factor, which featured original Idol judge Simon Cowell, and NBC’s The Voice just lost one of its biggest stars in Cee Lo Green. As for Idol, the ratings for its premiere this year were down 22 percent in the key demo and recent episodes have also been losing viewership.
Despite those woes, Idol has consistently produced great album sales. Fourteen alumni have each sold more than a million albums, led by Underwood with almost 15 million alone in cumulative sales. What that has really meant financially for these performers is an issue that will be explored in a New York courtroom.
Sony declined comment.
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There's the thing: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sit...l_Clarkson.pdf
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Member Since: 3/7/2012
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It was.
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Doesn't matter. I'll do anything to keep us from Page 2.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Not 5 posts in a row 
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