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I feel this topic should be in The Lounge...
Member Since: 10/21/2005
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I feel this topic should be in The Lounge...
Sorry Tibbits. If you want to hate me for this, go ahead . But I feel like people are going to miss out on it due to it being in the Blogs. It will get noticed here more:
So Tibbits thinks this forum shouldn't have "Official Threads" and "Underated Artists" such as Jesse McCartney ( ) [Why does everyone have to attack him, such an easy target I suppose] and Leona Lewis shouldn't have them.
He thinks it takes up more space and only artists like Britney Spears and Mariah Carey deserve their own thread. etc etc. View his blog for his exact wording. I just summed it up...
Here's what I had to say to this:
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So what? You want this to be an all Britney Spears/Mariah Carey forum?
Might as well change the name to that instead of ATRL. Last time I checked I had 11 guests in my thread, plus two members. These guests are just scared to register.
Having threads for underated artists, like your instance, Jesse McCartney or even Leonis Lewis expands ATRL. Would you want to join a forum that was basically just about Britney Spears and Mariah Carey with no other musical tastes? The more we post about other artists, regardless if they are big or not, creates a more diverse place. We can expand our horizons and create even a bigger forum. Isn't that TC's and Joseph's goal? To have more members join and have more guests per day? Because if this forum was dead, it wouldn't last any longer.
My point is, exploring flopping/underated artists expands ATRL to it's max. Having just Britney Spears and Mariah Carey would make an instance flop for ATRL. All I know is if ATRL was based on the "Big" artists I wouldn't want to come here anymore. That's what is unique about ATRL. For it's diverse amount of members from all around the world.
Brand new artists such as 'Pinter' belong in a BLOG, because no one is going to know about them. But, in your case, Jesse McCartney went Platinum with his Beautiful Soul CD and it was a hit on TRL and all around the World. Maybe just maybe some people want to read it.
You can't force someone to not post about their favorite artist. "You can't post a topic about these such and such artists, only the big names such as Britney or Mariah; TC"
Maybe if we the thread, for your instance Jesse, keeps getting "bumped" to the first page, guests will keep seeing it and eventually start going into it more often and getting into that artist. It's called promotion. If you let the page flop to the 2nd page or 3rd page, no one will know about it. The more it's on the first page, guests/members will be curious to see it. I remember when I first created that thread it had 0 to 1 guests in it max. Now it is up to like 11 or 12. It does work....
ATRL is all about Diverse. You can't force a fan to not post about their favorite artist. If you want me to continue I can . I don't know how, on your opinion, that would work. So if there wasn't an official thread, people would post more threads about an artist and it would cause more "bandwidth" to the more threads. Right? Or I could be mistaken. Maybe it would just create more threads. Knowing that there is an "Official Thread" for some members, they'll know NOT to post something unless it's there.
I'm done, I talk to much . Did I bore you yet?
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That's the only one I'll copy and paste here. I got other takes on this. Also, why are people attacking my favorite artist? Seriously, I find people using Jesse McCartney as an example for these kinds of subjects ---> Underated artists, not necessary.
Last time I checked, Beautiful Soul went Platinum and was a #1 hit all around the world in most places. I call that a flop alright He just hasn't manged another "hit" that graps the listeners yet...
BUT ENOUGH ABOUT THAT. Off topic? Let's get to the main subject. Do you guys agree or not agree?
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Member Since: 10/5/2005
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Have fun with this Tibbits! : ]
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Member Since: 10/19/2004
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No one gives a flying **** aobut Jesse McCartney, Kevin.
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ATRL Senior Member
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There are so many artist in the music forum that don't need an official thread (Jesse McCartney, Colbie Caillat, etc, etc.). It's pointless to have an official thread for people that rarely have news about them.
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ATRL Moderator
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Would you rather have a billion threads that get randomly bumped, all about the same artist, or ONE thread where you can go to when you want to find out information about an artist
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Member Since: 10/21/2005
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You guys are inconsiderate. I took Logic class last term and I learned a lot about Arguments. Attacking people or for this instance, their artists just makes your argument weak.
How about instead of saying "No one gives a flying **** about Jesse McCartney." You back it up with some common sense.
Like...let me think. Ummm....having an official thread for an artist that rarely gets posts is quite worthless on ATRL because it causes controversory on ATRL such as this topic
That's the only explanation I can think of....cause this is an ATRL forum where we post POP related artists. :\.
I could be like you guys though and attack Korn and Linkin Park (even though I like them) and say those threads are unnecessary, but I don't got any logical explanation to back me up because last time I check this is A FORUM. If someone wants to promote thier favorite artist, let them.
Maybe TC can make an option of "ignoring" threads? Where you pick a thread in the forum and put it on ignore? Then no matter who posts in it, you can't see it?
You guys are really crossing the lines with this "Who cares about Jesse; he isn't popular; even though this is a POP forum, we shouldn't talk about POP music."
You guys are simply using HIM to attack ME. Like always. When will you guys grow upo and leave me alone?
So TC read this: Please make an option of putting threads on ignore, cause I guess people cant' accept the fact this is a POP forum where we CAN'T post topics about POP related things.
Shoot me man... Geez.
ps: word of advice. Or you could just simply ignore the thread
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ATRL Moderator
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Its not just about pop here
we are a MUSIC community
it shouldnt matter what kind of music you listen to
and anyone who shoots someone down because of the music they listen to is very sad
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ATRL Senior Member
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Kevin, why are you taking this personal? It's not just about Jesse McCartney, it's about all artists that are rarely discussed and have an official thread.
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Member Since: 10/21/2005
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^Ok Reeces1
I just don't get why you guys are using him for an example. Cause he's the only "active" thread that gets bumped? I see...
I'll just stop talking about him. Let's just talk about the fact of the topic now. Do we really deserve these types of threads on ATRL?
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Member Since: 10/21/2005
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Here's sum more feedback guys:
Yeah.
If we got rid of the Jesse thread, I'd post like up to 10 threads weekly, about news on him.
Official Threads >>> 10 to 15 weekly artist threads updates.
Isn't that the reason why TC made the option of changing the title?
You could update the Official thread to like "Mariah Carey has a brand new remix out" then with the next update "Mimi is on the set of her next video"
It doesn't always have to be "Mariah Carey's Official Thread" 24/7 with a million "unseen" updates.
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I'm not trying to win anything. I'm trying to make a point this is already organized the way it is and it's pointless to have 10 to 15 threads weekly (maybe even more?) for the same artists. Just change the title damn it. It's not that hard. You don't need "Official Thread" for the artist in the title.
I'm going to get ready for work now, sorry for post whoring lately. I like to argue sometimes .
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Originally posted by Reeces1
Kevin, why are you taking this personal? It's not just about Jesse McCartney, it's about all artists that are rarely discussed and have an official thread.
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Kevin is Little Mister Obsessive
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Kevin, please...
I just saw a newly opened Paula Abdul thread. Seriously...
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^
Now that's funny. But there's a diff. She's never had a "huge" known hit. I barely even know that name
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^ Paula Abdul's never had a "huge hit?" Someone needs to research their late 80's-early 90's. She was a major player in pop music and choreography back then with a string of #1 hits. You say you know about arguments; you should also know that facts are essential.
I think people are going way too overboard with these "Official Threads." We don't need to hear about every award, every live performance, every interview, every blog, every chart update, etc. etc. IMO, that's not major music news. You can find all of that stuff elsewhere, like in the Billboard Hot 100 or Mediabase threads, or Videos.
It doesn't matter that I don't like Jesse McCartney (that's definitely NOT what this is about). I happen to like Sara Bareilles and Colbie Caillat, who just got their own official threads. But it's taking up way too much space, and nothing excitedly new has happened to either one of them. A thread can be made when they announce their next singles, or one of them has an interview that shares some interesting information. But we don't need a new post everytime they gain one position on the Billboard Hot 100.
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ROFLMFAO at "the guests are scared to register".
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Originally posted by Anthony Kerty
ROFLMFAO at "the guests are scared to register".
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I know, right?
FYI guys I'm launching my Samantha Mumba thread in about 2 hours.
P.S. - Sokker's response was amazing! Legend.
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Just to prove how ridiculous this is getting, let's take a look at who has OFFICIAL threads on JUST THE FIRST F.UCKING PAGE of the Main Music Forum.
Hilary Duff
Flo Rida (not to mention I saw a thread talking about a new song of his RIGHT ABOVE THIS ONE)
Nicole Scherzinger ( - this album isn't even coming out anymore)
Paula Abdul
Jesse McCartney (this thread has one poster!)
Janet Jackson (Going for flop #3)
Colbie Caillat
Asia Cruise ( )
Taylor Swift
Rihanna
Raven Symone ( )
Jordin Sparks
Alicia Keys
Ashlee Simpson
Danity Kane
Day 26
Ashley Tisdale ( )
Brandy
Leona Lewis
That is 19 - count 'em 19 - official threads on the first page; and that doesn't even count the Britney, Mariah, Avril (MOST USELESS THREAD EVER), and Chris Brown ones I've seen. Also, there's some like that Alicia one where the only updates are when "Like You'll Never See Me Again" moves up one spot on the BB Hot 100 to #12. Please -- we can see that in the Hot 100 thread. Honestly, the only artist who I actually agree with having an official thread is Britney because there is news about her almost everyday. Things like album art and such can be posted in the Photos section.
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I think the official thread thing is much better than having one thread made for every time news comes out about a certain artist.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Basically, for an official thread to be here, I believe that it should cater to a lot of people with its news. If it's going to be updated frequently with minor news like the Britney and Mariah threads, there should be a lot of people who care. If you're making a Jesse McCartney official thread and updating 10-15 times a week (Kevin's words not mine) then something is wrong. There are not 10-15 newsworthy things that happen to Jesse McCartney or Sara Bareilles in one week. We've discussed these official threads before and said that they're not to be made unless the moderators approve it. The official threads are there because artists like Britney Spears were taking up too many individual posts in the forum and we wanted to have them all in one place. The case is not the same for Sara Bareilles. And if someone was to post some idiotic piece of news as its own thread I would just delete it anyway. As of right now I'm not in the mood to go weed out the necessary official threads from the unnecessary. I don't really see it causing an actual problem YET. But I might have to soon, so don't be surprised.
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Originally posted by Nick
Basically, for an official thread to be here, I believe that it should cater to a lot of people with its news. If it's going to be updated frequently with minor news like the Britney and Mariah threads, there should be a lot of people who care. If you're making a Jesse McCartney official thread and updating 10-15 times a week (Kevin's words not mine) then something is wrong. There are not 10-15 newsworthy things that happen to Jesse McCartney or Sara Bareilles in one week. We've discussed these official threads before and said that they're not to be made unless the moderators approve it. The official threads are there because artists like Britney Spears were taking up too many individual posts in the forum and we wanted to have them all in one place. The case is not the same for Sara Bareilles. And if someone was to post some idiotic piece of news as its own thread I would just delete it anyway. As of right now I'm not in the mood to go weed out the necessary official threads from the unnecessary. I don't really see it causing an actual problem YET. But I might have to soon, so don't be surprised.
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