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ATRL: Thoughts on our moderating
Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 8,605
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I think I'm done with my comments. Thanks, foxay. You explained everything very well. 
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 11/1/2010
Posts: 26,750
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Originally posted by Lee!!
If Jan 2011 is new then sure lol
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Shh! I feel young!
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Member Since: 11/29/2010
Posts: 19,102
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Originally posted by foxaylove
You sir, are a damn liar.
You didn't join the staff till January of 2012! 
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Either way, we've bin moderators for 2 years now.
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 11/16/2004
Posts: 28,450
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 got me but it doesn't bother me
Oh and oops its been a long day I forgot what year it is 
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
Posts: 59,872
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Lee!! wouldn't let me make my Hot 100 thread. 
But other than that, he's been cool since the Umich thing idk why y'all hate ha. I always reach to her on Twitter to close the messy threads before we all get 3 WP's like last time 
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 8,605
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Lee!! likes Tove Lo which makes him my favorite mod by default.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
Posts: 37,894
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
I just wanna thank whoever on Staff came up with this.
I don't think people realize this feature, it's the most underrated thing ever omg.
- You can bookmark posts/topics in there and not actually have to clog your bookmarks bar.
- You can ready a bunch of stuff in there such as OP's, Best of 2013 Stuff, etc.
- You can test lots of things in there.
If y'all ever remove this because y'all think it's useless I will meltdown.
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I love it!
The only improvement it needs is a preview button.
I don't like how you have to save it to see what it looks like.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 11/14/2008
Posts: 24,988
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Originally posted by Lipton
Either way, we've bin moderators for 2 years now.
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I forgot that y'all were in the same moderator class with Katie and Billie Joe.
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Originally posted by Lee!!
got me but it doesn't bother me
Oh and oops its been a long day I forgot what year it is |
No harm! 
MATTY, our 3 year modversary will be here in 14 more days 
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Member Since: 10/19/2010
Posts: 16,335
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Originally posted by Lipton
You're right. We should be an example of the rules; however, we're human and sometimes get a little shady along with the members. It can get boring always being a goody two-shoes.
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That's essentially what you give up by being a moderator though. Their job is to make this forum a better place. It kind of defeats the purpose if they end up being part of a mess when it's their job to clean it up. If they can't help but be messy then they should give up their badge and be in the war zone just like the common sistren.
That said, I don't have a lot of complaints. I was a mess during the ARTPOPcalypse on purpose, but I was pleasantly surprised that I got 3 reminders in a row, which was a welcome change because I really did not deserve a WP for those posts, but probably would've gotten one in a different time period.
I do think mods should give credit to cleverly veiled shade and keep it unwarned tho.
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 2/19/2003
Posts: 34,484
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Originally posted by Merryweather
The only criticism I have is that I feel like a lot of threads about race get locked. On more than one occasion I've seen threads having to do with race or racism reported and locked and I don't get why. Obviously, they can get heated, but these are important discussions imo.
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From my experience, Merryweather, any thread about race/ethnicity/gender/religion/politics tends to go out of control within the first twenty posts. I'm being extraordinarily generous with that summation, because it's usually in the first five posts tbh. Nine times out of ten, it's better to close/lock/delete a thread than to have to give ten-thirty warning points.
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 2/19/2003
Posts: 34,484
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
True but then the moderators should also have the 10 point warning system  . I'm on ATRL for the shading sometimes and I'm sure the moderators are as well but, things are out of hand when the moderators do not have the 10 point rule system just like the members. Now I know it would be weird to have it because then moderators will be judging other moderators but to have no system what so ever where moderator's comments can run rampant is not a working system  This is the main issue I have with the mods or at least the moderator system on ATRL :P |
I don't mean to be rude, but that's ... not going to happen. You've suggested this quite often, but it's not in the cards. It wasn't, it's not, it won't be.
If a moderator is truly delinquent and/or incompetent in the role, he or she is demoted. Trust and believe.
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 2/19/2003
Posts: 34,484
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Originally posted by jinzo
The only thing I would say is that there's a blurring of the lines between what one mod would give 1 WP and what another mod would give 2 WPs for.
Flamebait / Trolling
Insensitive / Offensive
Abrasive / Fighting
With the ones that are so closely linked, there needs to be more of a concrete explanation of what is deserving of what, otherwise there's disproportionate punishments being handed out. Now I understand there's a degree of subjectivity between each mod, but we don't know all your subjectivities inside out and it's unfair on our side if something we thought was just a little cheeky or a little snide ends up being perceived as absolutely the worst thing ever.
If there was more of an explanation in the rule book as to what is flamebait, what is trolling, and when does flamebait become trolling- just as an example- we would send better reports and you'd get less extraneous workload.
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Every mod is different, but jinzo, I can give you my take on the differences:
Flamebait/Trolling - if one were to make an offhand shady comment about a celebrity, that would be a clear case of flamebait. It it's something that can be construed as shady, it could be warned as flamebait - or at least a debate could take place.
HOWEVER - if one were to have a repeated history of posting uncomplimentary/outright negative posts and threads on a particular artist (Ex: ichinaru19/Lady Gaga, Fenty the Great/Beyoncé, kisuke/Rihanna, Vin/Justin Timberlake, so on and so forth) that's TROLLING. You are trolling if you enter threads of artists you've made clear you can't stand, and still post incendiary things about them.
Let's make this thread a two way street, shall we? For, again, let's say ichinaru19, or Vin, or ChandlerBing - you all have a very clear and distinct distaste for Lady Gaga. (Not a Gaga stan, but these names come to mind immediately). Honest question here - how hard is it to just avoid her and every thread that's about her?
Full disclosure - I don't care for Nicole Scherzinger. Therefore, I've not posted about the girl in 2.5 years. Why is it so hard for members to do the same thing?
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
Posts: 39,015
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
I don't mean to be rude, but that's ... not going to happen. You've suggested this quite often, but it's not in the cards. It wasn't, it's not, it won't be.
If a moderator is truly delinquent and/or incompetent in the role, he or she is demoted. Trust and believe.
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Surprised that you have kept track on how many times I have suggested this. And hey this thread was just made today so it doesn't hurt to bring it up since that is the point of the thread after all
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Member Since: 9/13/2012
Posts: 29,559
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Let's make this thread a two way street, shall we? For, again, let's say ichinaru19, or Vin, or ChandlerBing - you all have a very clear and distinct distaste for Lady Gaga. (Not a Gaga stan, but these names come to mind immediately). Honest question here - how hard is it to just avoid her and every thread that's about her?
Full disclosure - I don't care for Nicole Scherzinger. Therefore, I've not posted about the girl in 2.5 years. Why is it so hard for members to do the same thing?
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 9/14/2010
Posts: 78,921
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I haven't been warned in a while, so I guess it's fine 
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Member Since: 5/28/2012
Posts: 7,065
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I have a couple of issues, but overall good. You guys seem to warn for just about every little thing lately and a couple are obviously biased and one of you guys needs to realize we know he's a mod and to not have to bring it up in literally every thread he's in, and y'all seem to not really be that harsh on insensitive things unless it's about gays or race issues. But other than that you guys are great.
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
Posts: 14,605
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Originally posted by maiko
It's gotten much better since you aren't online that much anymore.
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the first ****ing post nnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
Posts: 39,015
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Let's make this thread a two way street, shall we? For, again, let's say ichinaru19, or Vin, or ChandlerBing - you all have a very clear and distinct distaste for Lady Gaga. (Not a Gaga stan, but these names come to mind immediately). Honest question here - how hard is it to just avoid her and every thread that's about her?
Full disclosure - I don't care for Nicole Scherzinger. Therefore, I've not posted about the girl in 2.5 years. Why is it so hard for members to do the same thing?
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Well then ATRL would be rather boring wouldn't it . Even Lipton said him/herself that mods shade too because it will be boring if you guys don't. THEREFORE, how can you guys get to tell the members to stay away from shading and just having a bit of fun when you guys can do it freely ? Not targeting you in particular just talking in general. Anyways yeah I do have a distaste for Gaga but I have also talked about Gaga in a good light as well, I don't just straight out hate her. If the situation is different then I'll even compliment Gaga, but not most of the time.
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Member Since: 1/25/2012
Posts: 44,884
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Sometimes some inappropriate threads are not closed or not closed quickly enough, but that's understandable since you guys are humans too and aren't on 24/7.
Other than that, there's some favouritism. Sometimes people won't get WPs even when they break a rule - EVEN after being reported! Then other times, with other members that certain moderators aren't fond of, they get reported over the stupidest things that are sometimes not even reportable.
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 2/19/2003
Posts: 34,484
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Originally posted by YSL
Aside from that, it should be the standard that you all reply to help requests. If you are so adamant about giving a WP, the user deserves a response to a help request if they feel the WP was unjust. |
Again, we usually leave it up to the moderator who gave the point to respond. SOMETIMES the moderator takes a long time in getting back (one that I can think of in particular ), but it's part and parcel of the process.
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