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Poll: Beyonce vs Janet: Who will have the larger legacy?
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View Poll Results: Who will have the larger legacy?
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Beyonce
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47.66% |
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Janet
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48.05% |
They're both flops.
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Originally posted by simon
Legacy is more important when it is easily referenced years after it happens. I feel like the reasons that artists such as The Beatles, Michael, Elvis, Whitney, or Rolling Stones are so legendary is because their work is often referenced and easily accessible. I think their team (or estate) does a creative job of reminding the current and future generations of the artists and their impact on pop culture. Moreover, that allows the said generation to not have to research or study the said artists to know their impact (unless they want to). If anything, they know that they exist and had/have a large impact on culture.
In reference to Janet and Bey, as a huge fan of both, I think that Janet has offered more to pop culture. However, her career is not well documented and her team does not do a good job of referencing her career and past work to the current general public.
Beyoncé, more so than any other artist, does an amazing job of documenting her career and making sure people will remember her work and career high points. Therefore, my vote goes to her.
As music artists and music lovers, they tend to know past artists more than the general public. That is why many of today's artists and lovers are inspired by Janet because they know her.
I love history, so I can name every president of the US, but can the general public name them besides the known ones like George Washingon or Abraham Lincoln. The same applies to music legends who are more universally known.
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This is an excellent point. I also agree that Janet's team has not done the best they could in documenting her career but I think that has to with Janet's content and lowkey "take me or leave me" demeanor. Anyways, Janet still reigns strong for legacy for me. It kind of is unfair to Bey in a way since we can't really assess her influence right now since she's still current in the pop scene.
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Originally posted by Nippy'sReceipts
This is an excellent point. I also agree that Janet's team has not done the best they could in documenting her career but I think that has to with Janet's content and lowkey "take me or leave me" demeanor. Anyways, Janet still reigns strong for legacy for me. It kind of is unfair to Bey in a way since we can't really assess her influence right now since she's still current in the pop scene.
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This. The question is directed at the end of each one's careers and there is no sure way to know until we reach that.
I predict that Bey will be more remembered as a person and Janet, I suppose, will be more remembered because of the fact that she dance and sang...?idk
We can't tell at this point.
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Janet of course. Beyonce is really talented, but Janet has a huge legacy, that many people don't seem to notice. Also sales shouldn't matter regarding legacy.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Studied how her art has contributed to the shape of popular music. If you can't see how what she did 20 years ago manifests itself in the artists of today, then your knowledge on history is lacking, and it's not up to me to give you the lesson. I'm all for Each One Teach One, but I feel like everyone has to be accountable for their own knowledge. I firmly believe that the Internet is far too vast for some of you to be so ignorant when it comes to artists who have paved the way for you to worship the ground these artists walk on.
The notion that Janet has been erased exists only in Stan Land, as I've stated. There is an abundance of evidence that supports the contrary. The only complaining from stans is her PLACEMENT on said lists. When RS updated their 500 GOAT albums in 2012, Janet was there. When they did their 100 GOAT female albums, Janet was there. When VH1 ranked their GOAT women in music, Janet was present. With out even boasting about her accomplishments and longstanding output of her art, artists are still drawing inspiration from it, and Janet hasn't done anything [significantly] notable since 2001's AFY. And as a Beyonce stan, sitting there and praising "Single Ladies" as leverage of Janet's legacy, and not know that Janet was the female who brought full-fledged choreography to the music video is a testament of your ignorance, and only reinforces Janet's lasting contributions to the industry.
And that's the way MY love goes.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
First of all,  .
Second of all, this is exactly what these kids are misunderstanding. Your commercial success should not be besting your art. This is why the Rihanna and Britney stans will never win. People who don't study the charts and sales don't know how much an artist has sold, how many hits they've had, or where they placed on Billboard's Social Media chart. The memories of those outside of Stan Land are tied to performances, videos, albums, songs, images, etc, and that's the measuring stick that's used for that population.
But I have to praise ATRL for learning three new words to misuse in two week's time - "longevity", "remembered", and now "legacy". |
Well.....that's that, then.
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Originally posted by Timber
This. The question is directed at the end of each one's careers and there is no sure way to know until we reach that.
I predict that Bey will be more remembered as a person and Janet, I suppose, will be more remembered because of the fact that she dance and sang...?idk
We can't tell at this point.
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The question asked "Who will have the larger legacy", not "who will be more remembered". Those two statements aren't the same. Make your mind up.
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Originally posted by Chimier
The question asked "Who will have the larger legacy", not "who will be more remembered". Those two statements aren't the same. Make your mind up.
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That way Beyonce can influence and pass down who she is as a whole to future generations and Janet can influence more Britneys and Ciaras.
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Being remembered =/= being influential.
We all remember four non-Michael Jackson 5 members. Are they worth ****? No.
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Y'all are some dumb ass ******s with no life.
Y'all don't even know what impact entails.
Stupid ****s.
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http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=456171
All this praise coming from nearly every celebrity of today except for Keri Hilson. They admire and worship her, they love her, they want to be like her, but they can't so they will try their best to be good people just like Bey, they will work hard, they will be classy, they will be respectful, they will be humble, they will continue use talent. The influence that she gives off comes in many different forms and it has definitely affected more people in the industry than Janet's style of dancing. These celebrities will not only pass down this form, but they will also tell future generations of this.
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You are being incredibly silly.
Each and every one of those artists also loves and respects the nothing that is Rihanna. Rihanna remains nothing.
Respect and talent does not equal impact and legacy.
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The one whose legacy started decades ago 
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Originally posted by Timber
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=456171
All this praise coming from nearly every celebrity of today except for Keri Hilson. They admire and worship her, they love her, they want to be like her, but they can't so they will try their best to be good people just like Bey, they will work hard, they will be classy, they will be respectful, they will be humble, they will continue use talent. The influence that she gives off comes in many different forms and it has definitely affected more people in the industry than Janet's style of dancing. These celebrities will not only pass down this form, but they will also tell future generations of this.
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Janet's influence doesn't just come from dancing, what part of that don't you understand?
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Beyoncé is a modern Pop stars who just started out in 2003. Janet impacted the industry before 1997 was out.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
You are being incredibly silly.
Each and every one of those artists also loves and respects the nothing that is Rihanna. Rihanna remains nothing.
Respect and talent does not equal impact an legacy.
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Really? Paul McCartney? Prince? Mariah? Madonna? Mary? Barbra Streisand? The President? The First Lady? Bono? Tina Turner? Patti?
What did say about Rihanna? 
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Originally posted by Timber
Really? Paul McCartney? Prince? Mariah? Madonna? Mary? Barbra Streisand? The President? The First Lady? Bono? Tina Turner? Patti?
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I don't know.
Those people you mentioned are simply a part of Bey's fan base.
All artists have fan bases.
I want you to explain to me how the fact that an artist's fans like that artist has anything to do with what that artist has done to change/impact the business they walked into.
Actually, I don't, because the two concepts have NOTHING to do with each other.  .
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
Beyoncé is a modern Pop stars who just started out in 2003. Janet impacted the industry before 1997 was out. |
That doesn't matter. This thread is talking about what will come in the future.
 And not you completely scratching off Beyonce's best selling album year.
Lets see what Toni Braxton says about your incision in Bey's career.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IurMgMOmo08
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
I don't know.
Those people you mentioned are simply a part of Bey's fan base.
All artists have fan bases.
I want you to explain to me how the fact that an artist's fans like that artist has anything to do with what that artist has done to change/impact the business they walked into.
Actually, I don't, because the two concepts have NOTHING to do with each other. . |
I've already explained that earlier in this page.
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What has Beyoncé changed?
What shift/change has Beyoncé brought about since 2003 that is crucial to the industry as we know it in 2013?
Questions for critical thought.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
What has Beyoncé changed?
What shift/change has Beyoncé brought about since 2003 that is crucial to the industry as we know it in 2013?
Questions for critical thought.
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How dare you even ASK this question? 
Even though I don't know Janet's music at all, I know what she brings to the table.
And you, being a Bey stan should know what separates her from others and her impact on the industry since 1998.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
What has Beyoncé changed?
What shift/change has Beyoncé brought about since 2003 that is crucial to the industry as we know it in 2013?
Questions for critical thought.
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Not much.
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