5. The Velvet Underground & Nico, 'The Velvet Underground & Nico'
4. The Strokes, 'Is This It'
3. David Bowie, 'Hunky Dory'
2. The Beatles, 'Revolver'
1.The Smiths, 'The Queen Is Dead'
Great top 5, though, I would have replaced Bowie's Hunky Dory for Aladdin Sane.
If you look carefully, you will see two bands who have women in them and an album collaboration with a woman in the top 10
Rubbish tokenism
All you got is one backup singer and one or two hired and fired instrument players - but even that one backup singer is now fired/no longer member of the band.
The NME white male old farts knew that someone might notice so they threw in that marginal "alibi female" backup band member precisely to cover their tracks of favoritism (so that someone like you could latch on to that tiny crumb like a dog latching on to whatever is thrown under the dinner table). That's how favoritism and tokenism works.
Pop, Baroque Pop, Indie Pop, Pop Rock, Britpop, Jangle-Pop, Rock, Art Rock, Glam Rock, Garage Rock, Indie Rock, Hard Rock, Soft Rock, Rock 'N' Roll, Avant-garde, Alternative, Psychedelia, Protopunk, Experimental, Madchester, Noise, Folk, Folk Rock, R&B, Raga, Ska, Baggy, Blues, Country, Country Rock, Heavy Metal, Jazz, Soul, Electroacoustic, Lullaby... And thats just the top 10
If you can do a better list of 500 albums, then grace us with it or shut the **** up.
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA, They are all rock albums. All of the above bolded are part of the rock genre. R&B? Really?
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA, They are all rock albums. All of the above bolded are part of the rock genre.
The 'rock' banner is so incredibly broad that it's almost meaningless as a label. Insisting that the Strokes and the Velvet Underground are the same genre because they both fall into the 'rock' category is like insisting that dolphins and starfish are the same species because they both live underwater.
This is rock.
This is rock.
This is rock.
This is rock.
This is rock.
This is rock.
And this is rock.
Go ahead and try to insist that these songs are ALL the exact same genre and that they ALL sound exactly the same.
Honestly? It sounds to me like you're just pressed that your faves didn't make it.
The 'rock' banner is so incredibly broad that it's almost meaningless as a label. Insisting that the Strokes and the Velvet Underground are the same genre because they both fall into the 'rock' category is like insisting that dolphins and starfish are the same species because they both live underwater.
This is rock.
This is rock.
This is rock.
This is rock.
This is rock.
This is rock.
And this is rock.
Go ahead and try to insist that these songs are ALL the exact same genre and that they ALL sound exactly the same.
Honestly? It sounds to me like you're just pressed that your faves didn't make it.
They. Are. The. Same. Genre. Are Usher, Sade, and Miguel not all R&B? Are Britney, Celine Dion, and Avril not pop? Are Azealia, Dr. Dre, and Common not hip hop? Just b/c the genre is diverse doesn't not mean they not all listed in the rock category. And no no I'm not pressed, I'm discussing music on a music forum.
Are you really thinking that avant-garde, experimental or noise are rock music or somehow exclusive to rock music? Oh darling
Those are defined by composition, hun! You really have no idea what you are talking about, right?
And bolding the mixed genres? Really? They are what they are thanks the fusion of equal elements of two or more genres. That makes them unique!
Or do you want to have a discussion about the origins, fusions and elements of genres and subgenres? I dont feel like talking about it. The only conclusion we will get is how deeply is for example pop music rooted in rock n roll, just like the rock music, so why not call it all just rock n roll, when they truly are the subgenres of it. Thats what you want?
All you got is one backup singer and one or two hired and fired instrument players - but even that one backup singer is now fired/no longer member of the band.
The NME white male old farts knew that someone might notice so they threw in that marginal "alibi female" backup band member precisely to cover their tracks of favoritism (so that someone like you could latch on to that tiny crumb like a dog latching on to whatever is thrown under the dinner table). That's how favoritism and tokenism works.
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A the end of the day, no one could give any reasoning why the Smith's album should be number one other than "it's just good" which proves my point
Waiting for your flawfree lists of 500 greatest albums of all time, guys. Show those old farts from NME how its properly done!
Are you really thinking that avant-garde, experimental or noise are rock music or somehow exclusive to rock music? Oh darling
Those are defined by composition, hun! You really have no idea what you are talking about, right?
And bolding the mixed genres? Really? They are what they are thanks the fusion of equal elements of two or more genres. That makes them unique!
Or do you want to have a discussion about the origins, fusions and elements of genres and subgenres? I dont feel like talking about it. The only conclusion we will get is how deeply is for example pop music rooted in rock n roll, just like the rock music, so why not call it all just rock n roll, when they truly are the subgenres of it. Thats what you want?
Come on now.
Just because they put in SLIGHT R&B undertones into one song (I personally don't hear it), does not constitute their ROCK album to be classified as an R&B album, which is what the comment I was replying to was implying. That's like saying Loud is rock album cause California King Bed has a guitar in the background. All ten albums in the top ten are rock albums. The point I was making is that, yes it's rock/alternative magazine, but the list is heavily biased towards that genre, when albums of other genres are arguably "greater", and people have actually bought and heard them.
Just because they put in SLIGHT R&B undertones into one song (I personally don't hear it), does not constitute their ROCK album to be classified as an R&B album, which is what the comment I was replying to was implying. That's like saying Loud is rock album cause California King Bed has a guitar in the background. All ten albums in the top ten are rock albums. The point I was making is that, yes it's rock/alternative magazine, but the list is heavily biased towards that genre, when albums of other genres are arguably "greater", and people have actually bought and heard them.
It doesnt surprise me that you dont hear it. You have already showed us how little you know about music genres.
Yes, the top 10 is mostly labeled as rock oriented by GP, but to dismiss it is very close minded. I also disagree with many placings/order, but I have to say that most of the artists on the whole list deserve to be there, because what is so great about them is that they have originated, shaped, influenced, crossed and/or elevated many genres. Thats what I wanted to show you.
And what "greater" albums have you in mind, for example?
Im really curious now
^ Any of the following can hold their own inside any "overall top ten". I've deliberately left out the "minority token" ones that NME sprinkled in their top 25 or thereabouts but made sure they were all outside the top10, like Patti Smith and Kanye albums (obviously they belong inside the top ten as well)
NWA - "Straight outta Compton"
Daft Punk - "Discovery"
Miles Davis - "Kind of Blue"
Dionne Warwick - "Make Way for Dionne Warwick"
Johnny Cash - "At Folsom Prison"
Funkadelic - "One Nation Under A Groove"
Faithless - "Reverence"
The Fugees - "The Score"
Jimi Hendrix - "Are you experienced"
Donna Summer - "Love to Love You Baby"
James Brown - "Live at the Apollo"
Nina Hagen - "Nina Hagen band" (yes, an album doesn't have to have English lyrics in order to be a G.O.A.T. contender)
Erik B & Rakim - "Paid In Full"
Janis Joplin - "Janis"
Burning Spear - "Marcus Garvey"
Aretha Franklin - "Queen of Soul"
Kraftwerk "Trans Europe Express"
Wu Tang Clan "Enter the Wu-Tang"
Kate Bush - "The kick inside"
... etc etc
Those (and more) are as good and as sentimental and as original and as influential and as innovative (some definitely far more innovative/revolutionary/groundbreaking than) and infinitely more diverse genrewise than that NME top 10 hipsterpunk playlist.
Here is a straightforward rule: if all songs of a top-10 can somehow be listened to by one music genre radio station, then all those songs belong to one genre.
Educate them
ATRL trying to reach for sexism but when they creat a Top 10 list it's nothing but females
Apart from the massive generalization in your post, sexism does not "go both ways" and does not affect men because institutional power to oppress is an essential element of sexism (otherwise it's just discrimination or prejudice) and women do not have the institutional power to oppress men. So no, even in the event that most of ATRL would prefer female artists it does not make it sexist. NME choosing all-male (and all-white) acts for the top tier of their list IS sexist and racist though as it exists in the context of women and people of colour having been and continuing to be systematically oppressed for centuries, often in the realm of the arts where their contributions are diminished in favour of white males.
All these lists are rubbish. There's hundreds of great albums but the top 10 is usually filled with white rockbands... It's like a rule or something. I mean Isaac Hayes and Miles Davis in the 300's? Not too mention them putting Born in the USA so f*cking low... Bullsh*t.
The Queen is Dead is in no way "better" than Are You Experienced, Songs in the Key of Life, Purple Rain, Off the Wall or I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (how is it #480??). Now those are really influential on a much grander scale and so much more inspired.
Although personally I think What's Going On by Marvin Gaye is the greatest album of all time, simply because I've never heard another album flow as well as that one does. It's also incredibly influential and timeless. Still relevant today, musically and lyrically.
But I guess at least they included some newer albums you wouldn't normally see. Writings on the Wall and Graduation for instance are definitely influential and deserve props. And I love that they included The Sundays' Reading, Writing And Arithmetic.
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Apart from the massive generalization in your post, sexism does not "go both ways" and does not affect men because institutional power to oppress is an essential element of sexism (otherwise it's just discrimination or prejudice) and women do not have the institutional power to oppress men. So no, even in the event that most of ATRL would prefer female artists it does not make it sexist. NME choosing all-male (and all-white) acts for the top tier of their list IS sexist and racist though as it exists in the context of women and people of colour having been and continuing to be systematically oppressed for centuries, often in the realm of the arts where their contributions are diminished in favour of white males.
131.... It's the best selling album in history and one of the most influential Pop-rock and R&B albums of all time. You'd think it would be a bit higher on the list, like idk... top 10. I mean the list is called "greatest".
Apart from the massive generalization in your post, sexism does not "go both ways" and does not affect men because institutional power to oppress is an essential element of sexism (otherwise it's just discrimination or prejudice) and women do not have the institutional power to oppress men. So no, even in the event that most of ATRL would prefer female artists it does not make it sexist. NME choosing all-male (and all-white) acts for the top tier of their list IS sexist and racist though as it exists in the context of women and people of colour having been and continuing to be systematically oppressed for centuries, often in the realm of the arts where their contributions are diminished in favour of white males.
Oh, for Christ's sake...
First of all, this conversation had absolutely nothing to do with institutional discrimination. NME's list is a compilation of the personal opinions and preferences of a bunch of music journalists; nothing more, nothing less.
Second of all, no. Institutional power is not an essential element of sexism. If I may consult my good friend Webster:
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: unfair treatment of people because of their sex; especially : unfair treatment of women
: prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women
: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex
So, yes, you CAN be sexist against men. However, I'm going to argue that there wouldn't be anything sexist about an ATRLer's list consisting of 99% women, just as there's nothing sexist about NME's list.
NME is a rock/alternative magazine, and rock has always been dominated by white males. It's only natural that the tastes of the writers would be skewed towards that genre. Likewise, ATRL is a pop forum, and pop (at least the kind of pop that ATRL favors) is predominately female.
ok.
