[RihannaLoverrr]

Originally posted by Ressti

Beyoncé already is in the history books

Queen.

[QueenBeé]

Originally posted by Eternium

I didn't say bigger. But if you want to use these "legends'" words to solidify Beyoncé's status, why can't I use Beyoncé's words to solidify Britney's?

Because they are peers and just because Beyoncé hosted a forgotten show for Britney doesn't put Britney above Beyoncé. She was obviously a fan and being nice to her.

[Harmonic Dreamer]

Does this REALLY matter?
Like at all in your petulant little lives?
Both of them are icons in their own right.
Whatever. This stan wars thing is just old now.

[iheartBrit]

Even Beyoncé stans know deep down that the answer is no.

[swissman]

Originally posted by Abyss

Marilyn and Audrey managed to captivate the world at a time when there was no internet, no social-networking sites, and no advanced technology like we have today. They - along with many other stars of their generation - broke down barriers. They managed to stay relevant a a time when there wasn't tweets to detail their every move or gossip bloggers to post a new photo and article of them every day. That type of celebrity won't happen again. Everything is so fast-paced and instantaneous now that something that happened 5 minutes ago is basically yesterdays news. The celebrities nowadays benefit from being able to have immediate interactions with the GP and their fans and while that is of course a good thing, it is also a hindrance as it means they won't be able to transcend their celebrity image.

True, there was no twitter or social networking sites, no internet. But when Britney and Beyonce debuted the internet was still pretty new. Neither had social media. To this day Beyonce is only really active on Tumblr and Instagram as an extension of what she posts on that. They are not products of the internet in the way that Gaga, Miley, Justin Bieber, etc. are. Not to mention that Beyonce NEVER interacts with fans online. I can't think of one time aside from her open letters on her website.

I'm not sure how you know about the old Hollywood system but there is A LOT you're missing here. There was no internet or gossip bloggers but there were gossip columnists. The Hollywood Studios purposely put out rumours, set up press events, had control over their actor's looks, accents, roles, almost EVERYTHING. To say that Audrey and Marilyn broke down barriers is a lie. They were successful artists backed by even more successful film studios. They did not "manage to stay relevant", the studios managed to keep them relevant. When the studio wanted to make a star, they'd do it. There were very few independent actors back in the day. All of them had longterm contracts with movie studios.

[Eternium]

Originally posted by swissman

lol.. come on now. Please try and see beyond your bias. Beyonce has never been not-mentioned at VMAs that she performed. She's continually on the best-of list for performances (which is no surprise). Her moment with Taylor Swift was ALL over the news. Her LOT performance was not only talked about because of Britney Spears if that is what you're insinuating considering that no one even remembers the Britney tribute.

Taylor Swift and Kanye were all over the news. And she was a non-factor for so long. I actually stanned Bey back in the day, but she wasn't making any headlines after the VMAs before 2011 and even those headlines were minimal.

I think Beyoncé's great, on her way to becoming a legend and easily the #2 biggest icon of her generation, but when you put her against the #1 female icon from the same generation, she's clearly not going to win.

[BlueMoon77]

No

[rihannafan]

Beyonce is not a cultural icon. My friend was just telling me yesterday how he has never heard of beyonce. She has no global songs. So, as long as we're not restricting the discussion to Brazilian favelas, Britney wins.

[-Alfie-]

Yes, Beyonce impacts politics, travel, fashion, hair trends, birth controversies and many other topics that Britney could never reach.

[RichGirlPlanet]

You're right, she is.

[QueenBeé]

Originally posted by Abyss

I've nothing to be 'pressed' about, I'm just giving my opinion and clearly it does contribute as numerous people have replied to me.

You say Beyoncé won't be remembered even in her lifetime. This is valid for some hot pop stars right now, but not for someone as big as Beyoncé. She has left a legacy that will last long times. Same goes for Britney Spears.

[Harajuku]

Britney is, but I'd take Bey over Brit any day.

[RichGirlPlanet]

Originally posted by Ressti

Beyoncé already is in the history books

Book her.

[swissman]

Originally posted by Eternium

Taylor Swift and Kanye were all over the news. And she was a non-factor for so long. I actually stanned Bey back in the day, but she wasn't making any headlines after the VMAs before 2011 and even those headlines were minimal.

I think Beyoncé's great, on her way to becoming a legend and easily the #2 biggest icon of her generation, but when you put her against the #1 female icon from the same generation, she's clearly not going to win.

So I guess I was dreaming when I read all those articles about how Beyonce was a class act at the VMAs.

[Eternium]

Originally posted by swissman

True, there was no twitter or social networking sites, no internet. But when Britney and Beyonce debuted the internet was still pretty new. Neither had social media. To this day Beyonce is only really active on Tumblr and Instagram as an extension of what she posts on that. They are not products of the internet in the way that Gaga, Miley, Justin Bieber, etc. are. Not to mention that Beyonce NEVER interacts with fans online. I can't think of one time aside from her open letters on her website.

I'm not sure how you know about the old Hollywood system but there is A LOT you're missing here. There was no internet or gossip bloggers but there were gossip columnists. The Hollywood Studios purposely put out rumours, set up press events, had control over their actor's looks, accents, roles, almost EVERYTHING. To say that Audrey and Marilyn broke down barriers is a lie. They were successful artists backed by even more successful film studios. They did not "manage to stay relevant", the studios managed to keep them relevant.

Now wait a second. First of all, if it wasn't for Marilyn, neither of our faves would be considered sexy. Beyoncé would be too fat and Britney's body shape would be "wrong." Marilyn revolutionized body image and sex appeal for women, along with starring in the greatest and most influential comedy of all-time, Some Like It Hot. If she was just a product, how come Jean Harlow couldn't do what she did?

Audrey created the glamour-chic look that both of our faves still use and is an actual feminist icon from when barriers existed to a much heavier extent. How can people argue Beyoncé is a feminist icon and then bash Marilyn/Audrey?

As for these girls being a product, it can be argued that every mainstream star is because they release good for purchases. As for other people pulling the strings, didn't Beyoncé put in like 8 Grammy nominations from 4 and lose them all in 2011 when she submitted for the 2012 Grammys but when she brought Matthew Knowles, a committee member, back on her team in 2012 and only put in one submission, she won the category?

[swissman]

Originally posted by rihannafan

Beyonce is not a cultural icon. My friend was just telling me yesterday how he has never heard of beyonce. She has no global songs. So, as long as we're not restricting the discussion to Brazilian favelas, Britney wins.

Where is your friend from?

[Ressti]

Marilyn was a product. An improved Jean Harlow looks-wise and a downgrade talent-wise. I'm not understanding why Abyss keeps mentioning Marilyn and Audrey and turning them into more than what they are. They are beauty icons, yes. Marilyn especially, but they broke no barriers. Josephine Baker, Mae West and Diana Ross broke barriers. Those women actually risked something, stepped out and did things that were never done before.

And neither Britney nor Beyoncé had to depend on the internet for fame. They came up when MTV still aired music videos and music specials. That's why they became famous.

[Fraser]

Beyoncé impacted the industry somehow, but as a cultural icon? Britney >>>>>>. Most of the artists nowdays, and even Beyoncé herself recognized Britney's power and influence.