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News: New black sexist,homophobic pope?
Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Because previous Popes have never been sexist or homophobic nope this is the first time it's happened.
On the bright side I'm protestant so the Pope ain't got nothing on me. Love and equality for everyone cause that's what Jesus wanted. 
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Member Since: 12/16/2010
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Originally posted by hausofdan
i personally don't agree with homosexuality.. if it is kept in private then fine, but for homosexuals to do such a gross thing as to raise a child or serve me at a restaurant, it is awful
i stopped stanning for gaga after she broke her lung or whatever, its her fault for dancing too much ...
the hope the new pope is black, white people are gross
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Member Since: 8/2/2010
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Episcopalians >>>>
Come as you are 
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Member Since: 8/4/2006
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Originally posted by H-I-M
Thanks God I'm a protestant and we don't use the Pope.
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As if protestants used the gays.
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Member Since: 12/15/2011
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Originally posted by BnPac
I'm going to go one question at the time.
1 - It should be personal. I know there is a God because I am a scientist and there is no way when you study science to just believe that everything falls together so perfectly without a heavenly creature's work. Just like Einstein said, the more he discovered things and the more he studied the universe, the more he was convinced of the irrefutable truth of a Higher being.
2 - The right and the wrong are basic notions, it is something we were all born with. When you do something bad you know it before someone has to tell you it's wrong. Those two notions existed long before the Bible or Religion. That's the only aspect we don't need guidance for.
3 - Same as question 2. You just know it.
4 - I don't think people should follow the Bible, it's a human's creation and outside of very few texts that were proven to be true historically like Jesus' arrival, Moses' predicting his arrival etc, there is no way to hold it as a magical book. Also that book is not literal, it's a combination of "stories" with ethical messages.
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1. Out of curiosity, what is your field of expertise? 90+% of prominent British and American scientists are atheists or agnostics (titles that are, in this context, synonymous), and it's due in no small part to their deep understanding of the universe. The numbers run especially high among physicists and life scientists, and so I would like to know if you are either of those. If so (and, I suppose, even if not), could you further explain why you still believe in a god?
(Note: That point was not intended to insult, and I apologize if it reads that way. Those are genuine questions.)
I am an atheist myself, and I owe it to a combination of horror at the atrocities of religion (which pushed me away from organized religion) and my knowledge of science (which killed off the idea of a petty personal god). The absolute most in which I could believe is some deist-like god, but even that is more wildly improbable than the birth of the universe without a god.
Oh, and Einstein was not religious. He was a fan of (admittedly confusing) figurative language that used "god" to represent the laws of nature. AT BEST Einstein could be considered a pantheist, but he was likely no more religious than Hawking or Dawkins are today.
2-3. "Right" and "wrong" are not innate moral senses. Most complex organisms, including humans, do indeed have a hormone-driven sense of morality that allows them to make decisions, but it is not by any means some absolutist "right" or "wrong" morality. Rather, it is a consequentialist gradient that can adapt to changing situations. The difference is subtle but important.
4. I agree. However, I do find it interesting that you used the word "proven". Nothing can be truly "proven" (as you know), and it's rare for me to hear the word from a scientist, but I'll just assume you used it for convenience.
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Do all of us gays have AIDS? If you don't like it when others stereotype us then why do it yourself?
That's just plain ignorant and bigoted. That happened at local parishes in Boston and Ireland. Gets your facts straight.
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No, those were NOT isolated incidents. There were and still are sex offending priests across the entire world; the Vatican even has records of sex offense "incidents" from fourth century Spain. It is not new, and it is very widespread.
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Member Since: 1/16/2012
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Originally posted by hausofdan
i personally don't agree with homosexuality.. if it is kept in private then fine, but for homosexuals to do such a gross thing as to raise a child or serve me at a restaurant, it is awful
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what is gross about it? You identify as a bisexual right? Does that mean you are so grossed out by activity that you yourself engage in or think about engaging in that you cannot bare to see a homosexual serve you at a restaurant? Or see one raise a child?
and does this mean you will never be able to raise a child or work in the service industry? Or is it okay for you since you hide any homosexual activity you engage in or think about and pretend to be straight in public? how does that work?
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Originally posted by hausofdan
i stopped stanning for gaga after she broke her lung or whatever, its her fault for dancing too much ...
the hope the new pope is black, white people are gross
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I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are young (maybe a little brainwashed) and have a lot of growing up and learning to do.
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Member Since: 3/30/2011
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Do all of us gays have AIDS? If you don't like it when others stereotype us then why do it yourself?
That's just plain ignorant and bigoted. That happened at local parishes in Boston and Ireland. Gets your facts straight.
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And the Child Rapists involved were given light slaps on the wrists by the pope, next time you jump to defend a insane, bigoted old man responsible for deaths the world over, try and make sure your argument is not based off hair-splitting tripe.
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Member Since: 4/26/2010
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I do not believe in organised religion, but the pope has a lot of influence with people in this world, so to me it is important that the pope is an understanding person, and influences people in a positive light. I don't feel like someone who is black and would have been oppressed in the past but cannot understand human rights revolving homosexuality, does not deserve such a high power position.
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Member Since: 1/3/2011
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As my grandma has told me, being Catholic isn't about the people in power, its about ones beliefs in the religion
I think for people who are truly catholic should follow this moreso then the people in power
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Member Since: 1/2/2012
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Originally posted by TheResonantZune
As my grandma has told me, being Catholic isn't about the people in power, its about ones beliefs in the religion
I think for people who are truly catholic should follow this moreso then the people in power
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Member Since: 1/16/2012
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Originally posted by TheResonantZune
As my grandma has told me, being Catholic isn't about the people in power, its about ones beliefs in the religion
I think for people who are truly catholic should follow this moreso then the people in power
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I am not religious myself (and never will be) but I agree with this and I respect that people can be Catholic and can have modern Catholic ideals without supporting the backward thinking of the higher-ups
hopefully if enough people feel this way and start to speak up they can spark some sort of change. It's unlikely but I think it is the religions only hope for survival.
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by Alberto
Excuse me, but child molestation by Catholic priests has happened all throughout the world, and if you ask me, this religion is the one which condemns us to Hell and bans women from being priests. Isn't that sexist or homophobic?
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Child molestation has happened in every organized institution around the world not just the Catholic church. From Universities like Penn State to the Boy Scouts and so on. And no, I have already posted on this thread before; Catholics do not believe someone goes to hell just for being gay.
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by Heisenberg
that we know of. And that was just recently, it has also happened (and is undoubtedly still happening) in a lot of other churches over the years. The catholic faith needs to start getting with the times with their backward thinking or it is going to become obsolete. A good start would be viewing women as equals and allowing them to become priests and allowing priests to marry. Those changes alone would accomplish a lot.
Also, what I said is not ignorant and bigoted. The views held by the Catholic faith and propagated by the pope are homophobic and sexist, that is a fact. I would never say all Catholics or Christians are homophobic and sexist, that is just ridiculous. |
"That we know of;" a bigots way of responding when they have been challenged on a matter of facts. Yes, I agree that priests marrying can happen in the near future since its only a prescription, but if it does happen I wouldn't be surprised if people will start complaining that priests are not giving them enough attention because they are being more dedicated to their families. And as far as women being priests and gay marriage in the church, that will never happen because in order to do so the church would have to completely change the definition and nature of those two concepts. Something the other Christian churches have had to do in order allow these things. The Catholic Church has always used a religious marriage as a social celebration of the gift from God: life; which only comes between a man and a woman. That's why two men or two women can not get married in the Catholic Church because marriage is not just a union between two people. I'm bisexual so I could end up getting married to a woman in the Church, but if I were to want to be with a man for the rest of my life I wouldn't be mad the the Church wouldn't marry me because I understand the reasoning behind it. I won't be some stupid bigot forcing my will over theirs.
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Member Since: 5/4/2011
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Homosexuality is a crime in 37 countries in Africa. Most high profile is Uganda, where members of parliament are still fighting to introduce the death penalty for gay people.
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What the sh!t?  I hope Ugandans (gay and whoever else wants to help) are ready to go to war. 
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
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Originally posted by TheResonantZune
As my grandma has told me, being Catholic isn't about the people in power, its about ones beliefs in the religion
I think for people who are truly catholic should follow this moreso then the people in power
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Mr. Know It All
1. What kind of scientist are you? 90+% of prominent British and American scientists are atheists or agnostics (titles that are, in this context, synonymous), and it's due in no small part to their deep understanding of the universe.
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Why does it matter what kind of scientist he is? When in reality if that's what he believes through his work then that's all that matters. Just as you are an Athiest, because you are weak willed and cannot fathom there be a God because bad stuff happens. You see how it's easy to flip the scenario? You may not be weak willed, but just because bad things have happened within organized religion doesn't mean that there is no higher being, NOR does it mean that there IS a higher being. If you want to believe that the probability of there being a God is slim to none then that's all good and dandy for you, but it may be complete and opposite for someone else.
But I do agree with you on right and wrong. That is built within a societal value. There are morals but people create them, not God.
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Member Since: 12/15/2011
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
Why does it matter what kind of scientist he is? When in reality if that's what he believes through his work then that's all that matters. Just as you are an Athiest, because you are weak willed and cannot fathom there be a God because bad stuff happens. You see how it's easy to flip the scenario? You may not be weak willed, but just because bad things have happened within organized religion doesn't mean that there is no higher being, NOR does it mean that there IS a higher being. If you want to believe that the probability of there being a God is slim to none then that's all good and dandy for you, but it may be complete and opposite for someone else.
But I do agree with you on right and wrong. That is built within a societal value. There are morals but people create them, not God.
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Oh, no, I honestly wanted to know what kind of scientist he is (biologist, chemist, archaeologist, etc.). It wasn't a condemnation of his credentials but rather just a question. Some types of scientists tend to be less religious than others, and I wanted to know (although now that I reread my comment I do see how it'd be construed as provocative). Let me fix that.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Mr. Know It All
Oh, no, I honestly wanted to know what kind of scientist he is (biologist, chemist, archaeologist, etc.). It wasn't a condemnation of his credentials but rather just a question; some types of scientists tend to be less religious than others, and I wanted to know (although now that I reread my comment I do see how it'd be construed that way). Let me fix that.
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Ah okay  I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to disrespect you either, but I guess it really is all in a matter of life views and opinions. I totally understand why there are athiest, Christians, and people in between.
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by Mr. Know It All
No, those were NOT isolated incidents. There were and still are sex offending priests across the entire world; the Vatican even has records of sex offense "incidents" from fourth century Spain. It is not new, and it is very widespread.
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So? I wasn't born yesterday. How many times have I heard of pastors also abusing children for years. This happens. Also, for every one real case there is perhaps four cases where the parents of children are trying to get a pay day. This stuff aren't just open and shut cases. It is a difficult process. What do y'all bigots want? For us who are Catholic to drop our faith and beliefs simply because of some men who sinned? Get out if here. Man will continue to do bad things and make mistakes. My faith isn't rooted in men, its rooted in Jesus. Give it up.
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Member Since: 4/23/2011
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Originally posted by Airhead
I had a African professor from Madagascar and he HATED gays. He said that there was no such think as gay Africans. Africans are not gay and that being gay is a European thing and thats where AfricanAmericans and other races/cultures/nationalities get it from.
He was a kiii and as dumb as he sound he believed that 100%
I was so shocked that someone so intelligent with a doctorate degree could be so simple-minded.
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Since when did having a doctorate degree make one intelligent?
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