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Poll: Bigger Impact: Mariah or Janet?
View Poll Results: Bigger Impact? 
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Mariah Carey
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52.14% |
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Janet Jackson
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47.86% |
Member Since: 4/16/2012
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Why are the Whitney stans so..... rabid? 
And Mariah obvs. I don't think people in my country know what is a Janet Jackson.
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Originally posted by EJQL8
Why are the Whitney stans so..... rabid?
And Mariah obvs. I don't think people in my country know what is a Janet Jackson.
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I could literally say Mariah wrote all of her singles, and they would somehow find a way to credit Whitney. Crazy :toofunny3:
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Originally posted by Chimier
How are you gonna say "Mariah started the trend of big ballads and 'rococo melisma'" and cite ballads post-1990 that sound nothing like it, WHILE saying songs like GLOA couldn't have started the trend because they sound nothing like VOL? Makes no sense..
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How are you completely missing the point? 
I Wanna Dance With Somebody was BIGGER than any Whitney ballad in the 80s. Why? Because the musical climate of the 80s sounded nothing like what it did in the 90s.
GLOA didn't start any trend, because not only did it predate IWDWS, but it did absolutely nothing to the musical climate/sound at the time in 86.
I'm sure you'll miss what I'm saying again so let me put it simpler:
GLOA did not start a musical trend of any sort in 1986. As evidenced by Whitney's very next single.
None of Whitney's singles in the 80s sounded anything like Vol or Emotions. When I say, "sound", I don't just mean sonically, but also the structure, the components. It is more than a reach to say VoL was a direct result of Whitney's 80s singles 
IN THE 90s VoL set the trend of embroidering and lacing ballads with nothing but rococo melisma. It was at the very beginning OF THE 90s decade. Whitney's 80s SINGLES have absolutely nothing to do with, nor started any trend IN THE 90s.
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You will list literally every singer pre 1970 to say they did something before Mariah, all the while I'm stressing that they did not do it the same way, or as complex. But, you'll list them anyway. The critics who say "Vision of Love is the Magna Carta of melisma" are absolutely 100% correct. You saying that they "could be", "probably are" or "might've been" the same people who call Elvis the first rock star ever is beyond irrelevant. Literally point me to ANY song in Chaka's discography, or Minnie's, or Aretha's discography, or whoever else that shows the absolute mastery of melismatic patterned singing as VoL. That shows the versatility, the scaling, and the fluctuation.
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The one that actually created acclaimed albums, videos and tours.
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Member Since: 2/9/2008
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
No. The 'impact' of the Janet's RS cover is ppl posing topless with the hand bra and jeans, just like Janet. The 'influence' of the picture is women posing on magazine covers semi-nude.
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I think you've got it backwards.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
The one that actually created acclaimed albums, videos and tours.
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oop.
Any way, I must say this was a great thread to read through. And I'm usually never fond of polls here on ATRL as I find them bias and sometimes just ridiculous but I like how the votes turned out on this one.
I voted for Janet and I "stan" for both so I didn't really care who won. They're both my Queens.
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atrlster, BKTweets12, BLaCKPoWeR, Chileno, Chimier, Dale, DirtyMind, Duca, eli's_rhythm, FreeXone, Glitter, HausOfJabril, Heavenly Bliss, i spit on haters, ImmaSlave4u, insidepariscloset, itsryan, Jeffsuxx, Jessica19, Lipton, mic.hell.e, Muggwa, MunyKen, olympiccairways, RatedG², Ray Bass, skyler, slobro, Smooth Criminal, Summer, superben, tcweh, trinafan92, YoYo
Surprised he voted for Janet. I'll assume it was an accident. 
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Excellent work as usual, Chimier. This format suits you better than bickering with morons on Youtube.
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Originally posted by Miichael
Mariah on music.
Janet on videos and dance.
Simple.
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Add singing for Mariah and performing for Janet and we've got a winner.
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Mariah. If anybody fits the term "local" it would be Janet Jackson after all. Mariah is truly GLOBAL. 
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Originally posted by EJQL8
Why are the Whitney stans so..... rabid?
And Mariah obvs. I don't think people in my country know what is a Janet Jackson. |
Is that why she played a sold out show in Manila last year? Just because your uneducated, doesn't mean other people are.
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atrlster, BKTweets12, BLaCKPoWeR, Chileno, Chimier, Dale, DirtyMind, Duca, eli's_rhythm, FreeXone, Glitter, HausOfJabril, Heavenly Bliss, i spit on haters, ImmaSlave4u, insidepariscloset, itsryan, Jeffsuxx, Jessica19, Lipton, mic.hell.e, Muggwa, MunyKen, olympiccairways, RatedG², Ray Bass, skyler, slobro, Smooth Criminal, Summer, superben, tcweh, trinafan92, YoYo
Surprised he voted for Janet. I'll assume it was an accident.
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No, believe it or not he hates Mariah more then Janet.
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Member Since: 12/13/2011
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Mariah obviously..... But Janet's tours are amazing....
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
Surprised he voted for Janet. I'll assume it was an accident. |
It was by mistake Not after the Janet/Madonna thread...
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Mariah may have more no.1s but Janet, you just see how she made an impact everyday all the time. I Will Always Love You, but then again Mariah got Hero. Still Id go for Janet.
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Member Since: 4/9/2012
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Commercially, Mariah has a bigger impact but critically, Janet has a bigger impact. Her concept albums in the 90s>>>
I'd say its about even. Mariah's influence on singers is as amazing as Janet's influence on dancers.
They both changed the world of music and raised the bar for the better. The artists of today can only dream to have such a classic song like Rhythm Nation or Vision of Love
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Member Since: 2/1/2010
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Voting for Miss Queen Janet
seriously don't know who made more impact,but I'm voting for Janet because she's one of my faves 
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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both made huge impact but this time I have to go for Mariah (yet again) for her magna carta of melisma and popularizing pop/rap collab
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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So does black and white not count as a hip hop/pop fusion? That song definitely ain't urban like my name is not susan or alright
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That post is going to get lost
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