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Discussion: Should Platinum be actually hitting 1,000,000 in sales?
Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Mezik
They really should certify albums by sales, not albums.. it really is misleading to say "oh ma gawd pink friday: roman revenge iz certifyed 4 1,000,000 copiez" because some people will actually use it as a receipt as if it's going to sell 1,000,000 copies.  |
the shade in the last line...are ou implying it won't sell 1mil???
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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All that matters to the record company is that they sold 1 million copies to retailers, right? They made the profit already, whether it actually sells through or not is another matter.
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Member Since: 11/4/2010
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to be honest i've always wondered why certifications worked with shipment figures instead of sales. i mean yeah obviously the amount of units a label ships for an album does reflect on the expected rate of sales, but the achievement only really comes when units of an album or single have actually been sold. why should anyone care about shipments?
it's unlikely to change for a long time (if at all) but i've always considered actual sales to be a bigger accomplishment over mere shipment certifications
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Member Since: 4/8/2012
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It USED to be exactly 1 mil for US but they had to lower the standard since a physical sale is harder to come by these days.. unless your name is Adele.
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Bieber shipped 1M units. Believe has therefore gone platinum. Why is this an issue? It will eventually reach official sales of +1M.
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Member Since: 11/18/2010
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Originally posted by Kworb
I agree they should certify sales and not shipments.
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This.
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by callum
to be honest i've always wondered why certifications worked with shipment figures instead of sales. i mean yeah obviously the amount of units a label ships for an album does reflect on the expected rate of sales, but the achievement only really comes when units of an album or single have actually been sold. why should anyone care about shipments?
it's unlikely to change for a long time (if at all) but i've always considered actual sales to be a bigger accomplishment over mere shipment certifications
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Its because they're stuck in the old days. In the past they didn't have Nielsen SoundScan so they relied on what labels or stores reported. Of course this was never accurate, but they didn't have actual units. Besides, when a label ships an album the merchant pays for the product. So the label technically sold it already and they got payed a long time ago.
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Member Since: 1/11/2012
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Shipments are also albums sold so it doesn't really bother me.
Doesn't Mariah have a diamond certified album (emancipation maybe?) that sold like 8 million? We wouldn't want Miss Carey to lose a diamond certification now would we
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Member Since: 6/1/2011
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Originally posted by GoodMusicLover
Shipments are also albums sold so it doesn't really bother me.
Doesn't Mariah have a diamond certified album (emancipation maybe?) that sold like 8 million? We wouldn't want Miss Carey to lose a diamond certification now would we |
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Member Since: 8/10/2010
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Member Since: 1/7/2012
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I'm all for sales but the truth is you can never track each one of them. So it's just that label assumes that if seller ordered it they will sell it eventually, even if through $1 bargain bin.
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Member Since: 9/18/2010
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I can understand why they don't but sometimes it's just ridiculous and reaching. Not complaining about Bieber when For example, Jive rushed to certify Femme Fatale as platinum when it hadn't even reached 500k And it's still not even close to 1 million. Like  How embarrassing.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Mezik
They really should certify albums by sales, not albums.. it really is misleading to say "oh ma gawd pink friday: roman revenge iz certifyed 4 1,000,000 copiez" because some people will actually use it as a receipt as if it's going to sell 1,000,000 copies. |
Well it did sell 1,000,000+ Worldwide, and sold millions of single sales. I'm not using this as an excuse for my fave, but it's the truth. According to Universal, 1,000,000 single sales is the same as 100,000 album sales. Nicki has sold over 1million in the US. 
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Originally posted by FAME.
And it's still not even close to 1 million.
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760k isn't close to 1 million, in what kind of horrible math world?
People do realize that music outlets purchase these CD's correct? That's why the record labels count it as a sale. The music has already been purchased. If it is repurchased or not by buyers is another concern for them entirely. As long the the music label sells the albums to retailers it doesn't matter how much the actual consumers by the music. It's up to those music outlets to be wise and buy however much of the product they feel they can sell to others. CD's are purchased twice, which is why you have the discrepancy between shipped (to music stores) and sold (to the general public). I don't really have a problem with it, because eventually shipped with become sold. But this isn't a new concept if you want general public numbers look at soundscan. If you want shipped numbers look to RIAA.
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Member Since: 9/18/2010
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Originally posted by Monroe
760k isn't close to 1 million, in what kind of horrible math world?
People do realize that music outlets purchase these CD's correct? That's why the record labels count it as a sale. The music has already been purchased. If it is repurchased or not by buyers is another concern for them entirely. As long the the music label sells the albums to retailers it doesn't matter how much the actual consumers by the music. It's up to those music outlets to be wise and buy however much of the product they feel they can sell to others. CD's are purchased twice, which is why you have the discrepancy between shipped (to music stores) and sold (to the general public). I don't really have a problem with it, because eventually shipped with become sold. But this isn't a new concept if you want general public numbers look at soundscan. If you want shipped numbers look to RIAA. |
In the math world where 760k still isn't even 800k and 800k is still 200k away from a million. Especially when the album is selling like 5 copies per week That is an extremely far leap.
F.A.M.E has sold like 890k and has been outselling FF since it's release yet still hasn't been certified platinum but FF which probably won't even hit 800k by the end of this year is platinum after selling 400k copies like
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Originally posted by FAME.
In the math world where 760k still isn't even 800k and 800k is still 200k away from a million.
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This is just a petty distinction. 240k isn't that far away from 1 million. It's 76% of the way there which means it's less then a quarter from it's total shipment. 760k definitely isn't that far off from 1 million sold, if you were to round 760k would be rounded to 1 million.
So you are salty because F.A.M.E. hasn't been certified? Thanks for revealing the real reason why you are pressed. Between, it's up to the record label to keep up with shipments and certifications. If Chris hasn't gotten a certification it's because either someone is lazy at the helm or it's because he hasn't shipped 1 million copies yet. Bigger starts get bigger initial shipments, it's that simple.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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No, it's hard enough to ship a million copies these days.
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At the end of the day though, and artist is more respected for reaching 1,000,000 in sales - not 1,000,000 shipments.
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The GP doesn't care about that. Platinum is platinum.
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Member Since: 9/18/2010
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Originally posted by Monroe
This is just a petty distinction. 240k isn't that far away from 1 million. It's 76% of the way there which means it's less then a quarter from it's total shipment. 760k definitely isn't that far off from 1 million sold, if you were to round 760k would be rounded to 1 million.
So you are salty because F.A.M.E. hasn't been certified? Thanks for revealing the real reason why you are pressed. Between, it's up to the record label to keep up with shipments and certifications. If Chris hasn't gotten a certification it's because either someone is lazy at the helm or it's because he hasn't shipped 1 million copies yet. Bigger starts get bigger initial shipments, it's that simple. |
No. I'm not salty at all because, as the entire purpose of me commenting this thread supports, I would rather F.A.M.E SELL 1 million copies than be certified platinum at 400k laughably while struggling to sell even 800k That's even more embarrassing to be honest, "bigger" stars shipping more albums to have them collect dust on the shelves and still get outsold by the "smaller" stars with way more albums available 
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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You still aren't comprehending the fact that shipped is sold.
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Member Since: 9/18/2010
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Originally posted by Monroe
You still aren't comprehending the fact that shipped is sold.
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I am understanding that which is why, as the purpose of this thread states, I'm saying that platinum should be hitting 1,000,000 in sales and NOT shipments.
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