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Poll: Is homophobia, racism etc. free speech?
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Yes, it's free speech.
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No, it shouldn't be allowed.
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Depends on the circumstances.
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Is homophobia, racism etc. free speech?
Now I know most people here are against homophobia and racism (or they should be anyway) but do you believe that homophobic, racist and otherwise discriminatory statements fall under "free speech"? Even if it is offensive, should people still be allowed to say it rather than being censored? Thoughts?
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Absolutely. I also think that the rest of the world has the right to call them out on being ignorant, vile, and homophobic/racist/whatever under free speech.
It's an amazing thing 
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As long as something hurts and offends other people's existence, it isn't free speech
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Originally posted by Wotamin
As long as something hurts and offends other people, it isn't free speech
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Impossible standard to live up to. Just about every comment will offend or hurt someone else in the world. That's also not how the U.S. constitution (which I believe this thread is about) functions
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Everything is free speech. But people need to be prepare to accept the consequences of their words.
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Demonstrations are part of free speech and I know that in my country to perform a demonstration you need an approval, and if the demonstration offends people then it doesn't get the approval. Its logical
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No because homophobia and racism can fall under hate crime.
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I said no because it much too often has the potential to lead to belittling, hate crimes or oppression.
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I hate people who are racist or homophobic but it's legally protected under the first amendment. They're not protected from being called out tho 
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Originally posted by Repo
Impossible standard to live up to. Just about every comment will offend or hurt someone else in the world. That's also not how the U.S. constitution (which I believe this thread is about) functions
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I'm not really sure how to explain it in english, but I meant comments that hurt other people's existence
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wotamin
As long as something hurts and offends other people, it isn't free speech
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This depends solely on the way in which the attacked person(s) is/are in the public light. If they are a public figure, they are well known enough to attract attention and therefore are "expected" to receive all types of attention. However, if the individual is not one in the public eye (your everyday person) and they're being attacked, they are more than likely to take legal action and that's where what you said comes in. Comms law is tricky with this  There are a lot of loopholes.
THIS only refers to free speech though.
Obvious racism, homophobia, while combining such beliefs with denial of rights &etc is in no way legal, at least not in the US.
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It is even if we don't like it. Everyone has a point of view. But then it's the only we can clock em 
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wotamin
Demonstrations are part of free speech and I know that in my country to perform a demonstration you need an approval, and if the demonstration offends people then it doesn't get the approval. Its logical
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No, it's not. Not everyone will be offended by the same thing. For example, I'm not offended by pro-gay stuff and I AM offended by homophobia. On the other hand, if you take a hardcore, fundamentalist homophobe of certain religions (for example, Christianity or Islam) they WOULD be offended by pro-gay stuff and would NOT be offended by homophobia. By the logic of "ban anything that offends someone," you'd have to ban both pro and anti-gay stuff. And you can't just cherry pick which side is in the right on an issue because you agree with them
As said, I am INCREDIBLY opposed to something like homophobia... but people do have the right to express it. They don't have the right to bully a gay person, but that's an issue that goes beyond free speech
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Not when homophobia and racism are condened by the laws, by experts, etc.
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Originally posted by Repo
No, it's not. Not everyone will be offended by the same thing. For example, I'm not offended by pro-gay stuff and I AM offended by homophobia. On the other hand, if you take a hardcore, fundamentalist homophobe of certain religions (for example, Christianity or Islam) they WOULD be offended by pro-gay stuff and would NOT be offended by homophobia. By the logic of "ban anything that offends someone," you'd have to ban both pro and anti-gay stuff. And you can't just cherry pick which side is in the right on an issue because you agree with them
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I didn't mean that though
My point is that you can't say something that will rule out someone's existence because of homophobia or existence, whether you are offended by it or not
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Quote:
Originally posted by Repo
No, it's not. Not everyone will be offended by the same thing. For example, I'm not offended by pro-gay stuff and I AM offended by homophobia. On the other hand, if you take a hardcore, fundamentalist homophobe of certain religions (for example, Christianity or Islam) they WOULD be offended by pro-gay stuff and would NOT be offended by homophobia. By the logic of "ban anything that offends someone," you'd have to ban both pro and anti-gay stuff. And you can't just cherry pick which side is in the right on an issue because you agree with them
As said, I am INCREDIBLY opposed to something like homophobia... but people do have the right to express it. They don't have the right to bully a gay person, but that's an issue that goes beyond free speech
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I agree with everything.
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Originally posted by Wotamin
I didn't mean that though
My point is that you can't say something that will rule out someone's existence because of homophobia or existence, whether you are offended by it or not
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I'm sorry, but I honestly don't understand the point your trying to make. Like... are you saying that you shouldn't be allowed to tell people to go kill themselves or ???? 
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Originally posted by Repo
I'm sorry, but I honestly don't understand the point your trying to make. Like... are you saying that you shouldn't be allowed to tell people to go kill themselves or ???? 
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yes [?]
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I thought "Freedom of Speech" means that you can talk negatively about rulers/government officials and other higher powers without landing in jail, which is illegal in most countries.
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You're allowed to be racist and homophobic. If you discriminate because of it, that's when it becomes a problem.
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