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Discussion: So lemme understand freedom of speech?
Member Since: 5/21/2012
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So lemme understand freedom of speech?
Let's attack a religion, something people believe in etc etc etc. and who cares?
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If I was to go out and set up an attack (verbally ofc) against someone who is a homosexual everyone expects headlines to be made and justice to be found????????????/
Is this freedom of speech because this looks like it's the EXACT perception y'all have in the first world countries/ the ones with freedom of speech.
So, is it?
P.S: Before y'all flip I didn't say I support either side in the Paris situation people who published the pics are idiots and the ones that took it too far in the name of my religion are worse (understatement)
mods try not to close this in 2 minutes just so I can get an answer 
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
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It's freedom of speech, not freedom from backlash for saying it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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When you attack a religion, you don't attack someone in particular. You attack the belief, not the people who believe in it imo.
If you go and attack verbally a homosexual or homesexuals in general like you said, it becomes hate because you're attacking people in particular.
Idk how to explain, but imo those are two different things.
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Member Since: 3/25/2011
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You can go out and call someone every hateful, bigoted, racist, homophobic, sexist, transphobic, religion-phobic word that has ever existed. And in return, you can be called out, embarrassed, shamed, shunned, or even charged and fined. But you can NOT lose your life over it. That is ultimately the bottom line.
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Member Since: 5/21/2012
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Originally posted by Tanguy
When you attack a religion, you don't attack someone in particular. You attack the belief, not the people who believe in it imo.
If you go and attack verbally a homosexual or homesexuals in general like you said, it becomes hate because you're targeting people in particular.
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Fine, I take it back.
Let's assume I'm attacking all homosexuals because there's no proof and they're all wrong and it's just a phase.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Speech is policed by culture, not law.
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Member Since: 4/14/2011
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When something is defective, people will make satire from it. The government and religions are institutions so they are bound to be criticized.
Sexual orientation is something as arbitrary as skin color or language, how are you going to satirize that. Those are qualities that do not behave right or wrong, they just are. Calling someone a name because of those qualities is mindless discrimination.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
You can go out and call someone every hateful, bigoted, racist, homophobic, sexist, transphobic, religion-phobic word that has ever existed. And in return, you can be called out, embarrassed, shamed, shunned, or even charged and fined. But you can NOT lose your life over it. That is ultimately the bottom line.
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Exactly!
I hate how everyone walks on egg shells around Muslims/Islam. They can attack us but when we criticize them all hell breaks loose
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by PromKing
Fine, I take it back.
Let's assume I'm attacking all homosexuals because there's no proof and they're all wrong and it's just a phase.
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Then it's your opinion and people are free to follow your opinion or not 
As long as you don't say they should die or we should kill them, your opinion is fine.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
Exactly!
I hate how everyone walks on egg shells around Muslims/Islam. They can attack us but when we criticize them all hell breaks loose
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Now, the "they kill us but we can't call them out" view is lazy. It's easy to associate extremists with an entire group, but I'd hope you were above that. I'm not normally one for labels, but the distinction between Islam and radical Islam is one that must be made in these discussions.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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 Dumb thread.
In the end the most they have done is some verbal attack. Freedom of speech means that the opponent whoever it is can use words to oppose his disagreement. Speaking up is the main part of freedom of speech. That's the reason you have developed societies and undeveloped ones. If you considered freedom of speech just the routine everyday life language then ofc you have places that happily live their oppressed lives by governments and their dictators. Freedom of speech would be those muslim extremists respond to the caricatures with their own caricatures or if they were civilised enough, oppose it gracefully. But killing. Sick,sick people Freedom of speech is so valued in the civilised world for a reason. So stop with this embarrasing thread.
And again people are nt forced to have the same opinions,but they dont go and kill people
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Member Since: 12/9/2007
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What people don't understand about freedom of speech is that it doesn't absolve you from the societal blowback of your statement(s).
No one is going to be thrown in jail for mocking a religion or saying all gay people are going to hell. But that doesn't mean you won't be judged by society for what you say.
And with all the violence stemming for religions, it's more acceptable to raise concerns about various religions than it is to attack homosexuals. But if someone were to say something irresponsible about Muslims or Christians as a whole, and not the institution itself, that's where problems arise.
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Member Since: 3/25/2011
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
Exactly!
I hate how everyone walks on egg shells around Muslims/Islam. They can attack us but when we criticize them all hell breaks loose
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And I feel terrible for the innocent, kind-hearted muslims who are unfairly discriminated and hated over the actions of others, which they have no control over. But at the end of the day, you can't just *pretend* this religion isn't breeding more violent extremists than any other religion in the world right now. The source of that strain of thought needs interrogation. It needs to be investigated and studied and plans need to be put in motion.
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Member Since: 5/14/2011
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Freedom of speech is for the GOVERNMENT. It just means that they cannot jail you for what you say.
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Member Since: 5/21/2012
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
Exactly!
I hate how everyone walks on egg shells around Muslims/Islam. They can attack us but when we criticize them all hell breaks loose
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They????????
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Member Since: 5/21/2012
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Originally posted by EloiseheartsRiRi
Dumb thread.
In the end the most they have done is some verbal attack. Freedom of speech means that the opponent whoever it is can use words to oppose his disagreement. Speaking up is the main part of freedom of speech. That's the reason you have developed societies and undeveloped ones. If you considered freedom of speech just the routine everyday life language then ofc you have places that happily l ive their oppressed lives by governments and their dictators. Freedom of speech would be those muslim extremists respond to the caricatures with their own caricatures or if they were civilised enough, oppose it gracefully. But killing. Sick,sick people Freedom of speech is so valued in the civilised world for a reason. So stop with this embarrasing thread.
And again people are nt forced to have the same opinions,but they dont go and kill people |
I don't even want to reply.
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Member Since: 5/21/2012
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Originally posted by Graduation
What people don't understand about freedom of speech is that it doesn't absolve you from the societal blowback of your statement(s).
No one is going to be thrown in jail for mocking a religion or saying all gay people are going to hell. But that doesn't mean you won't be judged by society for what you say.
And with all the violence stemming for religions, it's more acceptable to raise concerns about various religions than it is to attack homosexuals. But if someone were to say something irresponsible about Muslims or Christians as a whole, and not the institution itself, that's where problems arise.
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Originally posted by Auraeolux
Freedom of speech is for the GOVERNMENT. It just means that they cannot jail you for what you say.
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thank you both
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by PromKing
I don't even want to reply.
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And I gracefully attached the civilsed enough with muslim EXTREMISTS, so don't try it.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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People just need to lay off religion, it's becoming tiresome, especially doing it for the sake of attention like most artists (and gays for that matter) are doing with Christianity nowadays.
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Member Since: 5/14/2011
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
Exactly!
I hate how everyone walks on egg shells around Muslims/Islam. They can attack us but when we criticize them all hell breaks loose
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Maybe because you are equating extremists to a ginormous population of people???/
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