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Poll: Is Jihad against human rights?
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Is Jihad against human rights?
The concept of Jihad:
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Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
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1 a war or struggle against unbelievers:
he declared a jihad against the infidels
[MASS NOUN]: the importance of jihad as a uniting force
1.1 (also greater jihad) Islam The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.
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Human rights:
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Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
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*This thread is not set to stand against any concept, way of thinking, religion, opinion, etc... It's a simple poll to gather opinions.
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I personally don't know enough about the Jihad and I would like to hear from a Muslim member before making up my mind and furthering research on my own.
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Taking verses of Qur'an out of context is not something acceptable. The verses you posted are talking about about non-believers who already attacked/intend to attack Muslims. These verses are ordering Muslims to fight them back and not let go of their religion.
The verses that directly follow the verses you posted in the OP actually order Muslims to treat non-believers who agreed to be peaceful and not attack Muslims well, respect the peace agreements that Muslims made with them and to be kind to them. But of course you are not gonna post these verses 'cause you intend to portray Muslims as psycho inhumane creatures who live on violence and have no respect for people of other religions. But I'm used to this. Yawn.
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Anything that involves killing is against human rights in my book. 
Not an expert in Quran but you should post the whole chapter at least. One verse could be taken out of context.
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First of all. I'm sure we both know why you opened this. And secondly the traduction isn't 100% right. Jihad is defending your country not attacking innocent people. Like fighting a ennemy that attacked you too.
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Funny how you picked the verse you liked and neglected what came before it.
You can't take a sentence from the Quran, or a Verse, you have to take the whole Surah at least.
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Quran (2:190-193) "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. 002:190"
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transgress
tranzˈgrɛs,trɑːnz-,-ns-/
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1. go beyond the limits of (what is morally, socially, or legally acceptable).
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The thread was created to gather opinions, don't attack me personally 
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*This thread is not set to stand against any concept, way of thinking, religion, opinion, etc... It's a simple poll to gather opinions.
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Jihad is definitely against human rights in my opinion.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
The thread was created to gather opinions, don't attack me personally |
Gathering opinions by putting the whole informations. Opinions can be gathered from neutral person about the subject. not a hater.
Anyway what he's stating is wrong. Jihad is defending your country and your religion from people that attacked you first.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
The thread was created to gather opinions, don't attack me personally |
It's ironic though.
You only picked one line to make it look like Jihad meant killing everyone.
Where the verse before it limits this retaliation to moral, social and legal conduct.
This to an extent includes Human rights and answers your question.
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Originally posted by Cola.drinker
Jihad is definitely against human rights in my opinion.
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Why? weren't y'all saying that Israel have the rights to defend itself? it's the same Jihad is defending yourself from people that attacked you first. He only picked the wrong verses.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
The thread was created to gather opinions, don't attack me personally |
You take a verse that deals with an important theme/issue in Islam (Jihad) out of context and ask people what they think about it, and then you come back and tell us "don't attack me personally!!!@!!!". The nerve.
And please don't with the "gather opinions" part. You don't post misleading info in the OP to try and then ask people "What do you think??" like it's nothing.
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Jihad doesn't mean bombing random people in random countries in the name of Islam  Please close this since this is definitely islamophobic.
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Originally posted by Black Umbrella
Why? weren't y'all saying that Israel have the rights to defend itself? it's the same Jihad is defending yourself from people that attacked you first. He only picked the wrong verses.
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Oh these verses dont exist now ? Or they do, hmm ?
Any war is against human rights to certain extent. What Israelians can be considered against human rights as well and as well as the countries which practice Jihad.
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Originally posted by medosuxx
It's ironic though.
You only picked one line to make it look like Jihad meant killing everyone.
Where the verse before it limits this retaliation to moral, social and legal conduct.
This to an extent includes Human rights and answers your question.
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I was actually searching for verses which talk about Jihad and this is the first one that popped up, that's all 
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Originally posted by Cola.drinker
Oh these verses dont exist now ? Or they do, hmm ?
Any war is against human rights to certain extent. What Israelians can be considered against human rights as well and as well as the countries which practice Jihad.
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No but he didn't put the whole thing it's like picking
' You're so fat when you eat more food '
The next verse explains that Jihad is fighting people that attacked you first and defending yourself from them. Like non believers / islam haters that attack a muslim first then he has the right to defend himself.
And if what you're saying is true then if your friend take a knif and try to stab you don't attack him and don't defend yourself because it's against human rights.
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Originally posted by Cola.drinker
Jihad is definitely against human rights in my opinion.
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If you open a modern Oxford English dictionary, you would probably
find the definition of Jihad as;
“a holy war undertaken by Muslims against non-believers”.
This is a very poor definition. Jihad has many forms,
- Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb)
- Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan)
- Jihad by the pen/knowledge (jihad bil qalam/ilm)
- Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad)
- Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif)
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Jihad of the Heart/Soul
It is one’s inner struggle of good against evil; refraining oneself from the
whispers of Shaitan (Satan).
This process involves allowing Islam to transform one’s soul to achieving internal peace; and forgoing the hatred and anger.
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Jihad by the tongue
It is defending Islam and spreading Islam by scholarly lectures, speeches and debates. It often overlaps with Da’awah (invitation to Islam, or spreading the message of Islam). In The Last Sermon, Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) asked the listeners whether he has passed on the message to them; and they confirmed affirmatively. Then the Messenger of Allah ordered all those present today to pass on the same message to those who are not here today; and the last person to hear the message should understand it better than the people here.
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Jihad by the pen/knowledge
This form of Jihad involves scholarly research of Islam in aiding the spread and defence of Islam; and publishing written articles in clearing misconceptions and correction lies against Islam.
Examples of such Jihad include the research and discovery of scientific evidences, literature miracles and mathematical miracles from the Quran. Messenger of Allah once stated that the ink of a scholar is holier than the blood of a martyr; and one who is reading looks handsome in front of Allah.
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Jihad by the hand
This is a Jihad of action rather than words. At certain areas, it overlaps with Zakart (charity) and Hajj (pilgrimage). Some of its examples include giving charity to the poor and needy, performing Hajj or Ummrah, helping those who need help, saving people’s lives, etc. These are more of physical deeds instead of words.
“A person whose feet become dust ridden because of [striving] in the way of Allah will never be touched by the flames of Hell” { Sahih Bukhari 2811}
The most beautiful of all Jihad is a perfect Hajj. It involves testing of one’s patience and piety to the apex. The whole period of Hajj, with just one intention and aim, worshiping Allah!
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Jihad by the sword
Sometimes it is necessary to undertake Jihad by the sword. This would include usage of arsenals and engaging in a combat. This could be simply a bunch of freedom fighters or an organised campaign of army. Jihad by the sword is use of arms to engage into a combat. It is not misuse of arms to create violence. There are only two situations were Jihad by the sword is allowed to be undertaken.
- 1) For self-defence. When someone attacks you or when your nation has been attacked. Engaging into combat due to self defence.
- 2) Fighting against evil and unjust. It is also a sin if a Muslim sees unjust been done, capable of stopping it, yet not doing anything about it. This can include war on drug, war on child labour as well as war on terror!
The American administration today seems to be launching a global war on terror, but are they the first to launch the war on terror? The Muslims already announced the war on terror fourteen centuries ago, under the name of Jihad bis saif!
There are many rules and limitations when engaging in combat under the title of Jihad. For example, civilians are not to be harmed; trees are not to be cut down; asylum should be granted to surrendering enemy soldiers; etc.
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And as for fighting them we don't have the right to fight the whole country that attacked us we fight only the men that they send (army) we don't have the right to kill their children, women and elders.
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