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News: Trans youth gets male birth cert. w/o reassignment surgery
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Trans youth gets male birth cert. w/o reassignment surgery
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EDMONTON – A 12-year-old transgender Alberta boy has been granted a new birth certificate that recognizes him as male.
Wren Kauffman was presented with the new document on Sunday in Edmonton during a Pride festival brunch hosted by the city’s mayor.
The province’s culture minister, Heather Klimchuk, made the presentation.
A spokesperson for the minister says the new certificate simply has a “M” instead of an “F.”
Kauffman had filed a complaint with the Alberta Human Rights Commission over the inability to change the sex on his birth certificate.
Alberta law states that transgender persons must have reassignment surgery before they can change the sex on their birth certificates, but Premier Dave Hancock said in April that the surgery requirement will be dropped.
Wren, who was born a girl, had said it was stressful being listed as female.
A week after Premier Hancock made the announcement, a judge ruled that the Alberta law dealing with birth certificates violates the rights of transgender people.
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Read more: http://globalnews.ca/news/1395508/al...s-born-a-girl/
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such great positive news for our community
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Great news
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Um. I disagree with this decision but alrighty then  there's a biological definition for these things ya know, you can't just ignore that. Get someone to check if she has a Y-chromosome.
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I'm not sure this decision makes much sense to me.
If you're not requiring reassignment surgery or, better yet, if you're not using a biological definition of sex, why is there a need to change it--and what does one gain from it?
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Good
It makes sense since not everyone has the interest in or means(coverage/money) to get the surgery
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
I'm not sure this decision makes much sense to me.
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Yeah, I have to say I agree. It's a goodhearted gesture, but why exactly was this done other than to please the child.
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I'm not being transphobic but this 12 yo boy is a biologically a girl ....
Should i get my birth certificate changed because I'm in the body of a 16 year old but I feel 20 ?
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Originally posted by Goosey
Um. I disagree with this decision but alrighty then there's a biological definition for these things ya know, you can't just ignore that. Get someone to check if she has a Y-chromosome. |
way to misgender him, he's a boy and you should call him one. i kind of get your point but it's really disrespectful to not call him a boy
and not only that but why does the chromosome matter? why does it even have to be sex instead of gender? legit question, do they use birth certificates in medical operations? if not then i don't see why it needs to be based on chromosomes
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Originally posted by accelgors
way to misgender him, he's a boy and you should call him one. i kind of get your point but it's really disrespectful to not call him a boy
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I'd call her a boy to her face but "officially" she is a girl, regardless of what Alberta says.
What's the point of even listing sex at all if you can change it just based on how you feel? I don't want to be Caucasian, please list me as Jamaican, mon, I like that rasta culture. Etc.
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12 is a bit young . But I'm glad he got what he wanted
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Originally posted by Goosey
Um. I disagree with this decision but alrighty then there's a biological definition for these things ya know, you can't just ignore that. Get someone to check if she has a Y-chromosome. |
I'm not sure why this is important.
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Originally posted by Goosey
I'd call her a boy to her face but "officially" she is a girl, regardless of what Alberta says.
What's the point of even listing sex at all if you can change it just based on how you feel? I don't want to be Caucasian, please list me as Jamaican, mon, I like that rasta culture. Etc.
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It's hard to believe there are actual people behind posts like this. And you seem to have gender and sex confused.
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Originally posted by accelgors
and not only that but why does the chromosome matter? why does it even have to be sex instead of gender? legit question, do they use birth certificates in medical operations? if not then i don't see why it needs to be based on chromosomes
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Chromosomes matter because they are part of the XY sex-determination system for defining sex in humans and most other mammals. My birth certificate, and presumably most others in the United States, documents sex and was provided by the medical institution that delivered me. Whether they should document gender instead of sex is another question, but this situation seems like misrepresentation to me.
On a related note, while I'm in support of equal rights and allowing people to express themselves, I'm not sure I understand the fixation on gender identity. When a transgender person says they "are" a woman but do not wish to get reassignment surgery, I question: what does it mean to "be" a woman in gender but not biologically? To dress up in women's clothes? To wear makeup? To ingest estrogen? To be acknowledged as a woman by society? That the totality of your feelings are essentially "womanhood"?
Without maintaining a biological definition of sex, the idea seems destructive because it perpetuates gender segregation. In fact, it very nearly seems offensive to me as a male as it suggests that certain thoughts or totalities of emotions and behaviors could be considered axiomatically indicative of manhood or womanhood.
Why impose social definitions of gender at all? Why not eradicate the idea of gender and allow members of both sexes to experience their full range of emotions and behave how they wish without the restrictions of these social constructs?
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Um. I disagree with this decision but alrighty then there's a biological definition for these things ya know, you can't just ignore that. Get someone to check if she has a Y-chromosome. |
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
I'm not sure this decision makes much sense to me.
If you're not requiring reassignment surgery or, better yet, if you're not using a biological definition of sex, why is there a need to change it--and what does one gain from it?
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Yeah, I have to say I agree. It's a goodhearted gesture, but why exactly was this done other than to please the child.
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Originally posted by C.A.V
I'm not being transphobic but this 12 yo boy is a biologically a girl ....
Should i get my birth certificate changed because I'm in the body of a 16 year old but I feel 20 ?
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Let me just fill you guys in on something.
1. Just because he was born a girl doesn't make his gender identity as "girl". He was literally born as a male in a girl's body. LITERALLY. Biological definition is an entirely different thing when you're asked about your "gender" on a legal document etc. It's a not a be all end all kind of thing. I don't hear you guys calling yourselves "girls" in a "guy's body" because you clearly know what makes you a guy (not even going to talk about masc/fem features). Not because of your balls, but because how you perceive your needs and wants, your behavior around your friends, to the opposite sex and your image.
2. It's called self-validation. Every little thing that a family and friends does, from calling "him" him, to his male name, to his gender and his preferences to food, activities, toys etc makes him feel like an actual human being. Treated as the WAY he feels he is. I'd have thought gays would understand this part about being treated with respect about your preferences.
3. See what I said above. Good grief. Gender identity is developed as early as 2 when a child develops self-awareness. What they need and want is validation among other things. You take that away, you treat them no better than any other marginalized individuals or minority groups.
4. Ridiculous logic fallacy. How you feel about your age is proportional to your maturity as individual. Not your gender identity, which affects how transgenders see themselves and their bodies not matching. Biological sex only determines the most basic parts of your personality (it does play a part in your "sexual activities" but BARELY, as gender and sexuality are the biggest factors). There's tom boys, who prefer guy-like clothes, hairstyles, etc but that doesn't make them "transgenders", as they identify as straight women. Here, this young man is calling himself "male" BASED on his persona, preferences, image, and feelings. Combination of things that exclude tom boys who are both biologically and gender-wise in synch.
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How many transgendered kids have to be publicized before everyone realizes that yes, you can recognize from an early age that you were born as the wrong sex?
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I'm not being transphobic but
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Stopped reading there because there's no such thing as "I'm not x but y".
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Originally posted by Goosey
I'd call her a boy to her face but "officially" she is a girl, regardless of what Alberta says.
What's the point of even listing sex at all if you can change it just based on how you feel? I don't want to be Caucasian, please list me as Jamaican, mon, I like that rasta culture. Etc.
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You're mixing the two terms up. Biological sex is literally the physical manifestation that people see of a person. It's a shallow perception of a person's identity and preferences.
Gender is the psychological and physiological marking of what makes you a guy and a girl a girl. It affects what you are attracted to and what makes someone physically attractive to how you think about your own sex or the opposite sex. It's a shallow explanation but I think you're smart enough to fill in the rest.
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The typical bigots hopping in here without knowing what they're talking about, as usual.
Good for him!
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Originally posted by Goosey
I'd call her a boy to her face but "officially" she is a girl, regardless of what Alberta says.
What's the point of even listing sex at all if you can change it just based on how you feel? I don't want to be Caucasian, please list me as Jamaican, mon, I like that rasta culture. Etc.
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because not wanting to be a certain race isn't even close to the same thing as being trans. trans people have a problem in their brain chemistry that causes their brain to associate them with the wrong gender. it's not just a passing feeling because it won't change and it also is more than a regular feeling. trans people experience gender dysphoria, which makes them hate their bodies and can cause things like panic attacks and depression. it's important to them to be completely recognized as the gender they reassigned themselves to. that's why they would want it to be changed on their birth certificate - so they can feel like they're fully the gender they are.
denying them the right to change these things is kind of cruel. it's like denying medication to a person with bipolar disorder. it'll cause enough mental pain that it should be considered more than an average feeling and should be prioritized just as much as a physical disability.
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