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News: Michigan's ban on affirmative action upheld by Supreme Court
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Michigan's ban on affirmative action upheld by Supreme Court
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Washington (CNN) -- The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld a Michigan law banning the use of racial criteria in college admissions, a key decision in an unfolding legal and political battle nationally over affirmative action.
The justices found 6-2 that a lower court did not have the authority to set aside the measure approved in a 2006 referendum supported by 58% of voters.
It bars publicly funded colleges from granting "preferential treatment to any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin."
Justice Sonia Sotomayor reacted sharply in disagreeing with the decision.
"For members of historically marginalized groups, which rely on the federal courts to protect their constitutional rights, the decision can hardly bolster hope for a vision of democracy that preserves for all the right to participate meaningfully and equally in self-government," Sotomayor wrote.
But three justices in the majority, Chief Justice John Roberts, Anthony Kennedy and Samuel Alito. concluded that the lower court did not have the authority to set aside the law.
"This case is not about how the debate about racial preferences should be resolved. It is about who may resolve it," Kennedy wrote.
"Michigan voters used the initiative system to bypass public officials who were deemed not responsive to the concerns of a majority of the voters with respect to a policy of granting race-based preferences that raises difficult and delicate issues," he added.
Justices Antonin Scalia, Stephen Breyer and Clarence Thomas voted in the majority as part of concurring opinions.
Sotomayor and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented, and Justice Elena Kagan took no part in the case.
The court's first Latina justice, Sotomayor, took the unusual step of reading part of her powerful dissent from the bench, taking more than 15 minutes to express her concern about the ruling's impact.
"This refusal to accept the stark reality that race matters is regrettable. The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to speak openly and candidly on the subject of race, and to apply the Constitution with eyes open to the unfortunate effects of centuries of racial discrimination," she said.
"As members of the judiciary tasked with intervening to carry out the guarantee of equal protection, we ought not sit back and wish away, rather than confront, the racial inequality that exists in our society," she added.
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Source: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/22/justic...mative-action/
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I believe in affirmative action but based mostly on socioeconomic status. Poor people need help. Rich people do well regardless of their ethnicity, most times.
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Justice Sonia Sotomayor reacted sharply in disagreeing with the decision.
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And that is why she is the Queen.
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And that is why she is the Queen.
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Sonia is the smart one, as usual.
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I don't feel passionately about this one.
While I personally agree with affirmative action in most cases.... I don't have a problem with Michigan choosing not to have it.
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Good for the Supreme Court.
People should not get special treatment based on their skin color, gender, sexual preference, etc.
I don't like quotas (we must have 50% females! we must have 30% minorities!).
Here they were choosing a new leader of a political party, but there was a problem... all the candidates were males, and the party in question had a quota which meant they would have had to choose a female. I think they just ignored it. 
Choose people based on their ability to do the job!
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And that is why she is the Queen.
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I Stan for ha!
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Originally posted by Goosey
People should not get special treatment based on their skin color, gender, sexual preference, etc.
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This is interesting for reasons you may never grasp. 
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
I believe in affirmative action but based mostly on socioeconomic status. Poor people need help. Rich people do well regardless of their ethnicity, most times.
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On paper, affirmative action is a great idea and tool for minorities. But I don't like how they give leniency to MIDDLE CLASS blacks and Hispanics with sub-par stats.
I.e. Why is it harder for me, as an Asian, to get into medical school than a black student with MUCH lower stats than me but has a family with the same income as mine?
That's when it becomes about having to fill a quota rather than giving opportunities to truly underserved individuals.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Good for the Supreme Court.
People should not get special treatment based on their skin color, gender, sexual preference, etc.
I don't like quotas (we must have 50% females! we must have 30% minorities!).
Here they were choosing a new leader of a political party, but there was a problem... all the candidates were males, and the party in question had a quota which meant they would have had to choose a female. I think they just ignored it.
Choose people based on their ability to do the job!
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No. Affirmative Action allows for equality with races and sexes. Are we going to ignore the fact that minorities in general have it worse, or that women still make less? Affirmative Action has done a good job at getting people who would've never made it to elite schools get there.
People throw crap at AA, but no one says crap about the Legacy Systems that favors wealthy white males.
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This is interesting for reasons you may never grasp. |
This brings me back to a quote that DuBois said, "A system cannot fail those it was never built to protect".
What always baffles me is how a certain group of people oppress, steal, and undermine other groups of people and put them at a disadvantage, yet somehow, this group of people are completely oblivious to the destruction their own people do.
So what then do they do? They blame the victim:
"Oh, we murdered, enslaved, raped, and destroyed billions of wealth within your community, but hm.....I guess that's your fault!"
And AA being shot down in Mich. will be of the biggest disadvantage to women over anyone else.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
On paper, affirmative action is a great idea and tool for minorities. But I don't like how they give leniency to MIDDLE CLASS blacks and Hispanics with sub-par stats.
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Again not true. If you have the stats to get into the school they'll put you in there, if you don't expect a rejection notice. Many of those blacks and Hispanics have stats as good or better than their white counterpart whom they compete with. If it wasn't for AA, many schools would be just mostly white males with little females and people of color. That's horrible.
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Again not true. If you have the stats to get into the school they'll put you in there, if you don't expect a rejection notice. Many of those blacks and Hispanics have stats as good or better than their white counterpart whom they compete with. If it wasn't for AA, many schools would be just mostly white males with little females and people of color. That's horrible.
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Leaving Asians to compete with each other.
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White kids always want to kick and scream about not getting into the college of their dreams because of Affirmative Action.
It's like no bitch, you weren't cut out for that level of excellence to begin with.
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Try me
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
No. Affirmative Action allows for equality with races and sexes. Are we going to ignore the fact that minorities in general have it worse, or that women still make less? Affirmative Action has done a good job at getting people who would've never made it to elite schools get there.
People throw crap at AA, but no one says crap about the Legacy Systems that favors wealthy white males.
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People should not be treated differently based on their race, etc.
If there are more qualified candidates, they should choose those ones, not hire so-called "token" minorities. It is offensive.
South Park has a character based on this
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Originally posted by Mhs90
On paper, affirmative action is a great idea and tool for minorities. But I don't like how they give leniency to MIDDLE CLASS blacks and Hispanics with sub-par stats.
I.e. Why is it harder for me, as an Asian, to get into medical school than a black student with MUCH lower stats than me but has a family with the same income as mine?
That's when it becomes about having to fill a quota rather than giving opportunities to truly underserved individuals.
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I understand why some Asian students THINK they have a bone to pick with current iterations of AA, but you really are barking up the wrong tree. Why is it always "I lost my spot at XYZ University to a BLACK/LATINO student!!!!1" and not white students who are the VAST majority? White students are incredibly over-represented at most institutions, and yet I never read anti-affirmative action arguments that challenge that as opposed to this myth of The Unworthy Negro™.
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Originally posted by HandsOn
I understand why some Asians have a bone to pick with current iterations of AA, but you really are barking up the wrong tree. Why is it always "I lost my spot at XYZ University to a BLACK/LATINO student!!!!1" and not white students who are the VAST majority? White students are incredibly over-represented at most institutions, and yet I never read anti-affirmative action arguments that challenge that as opposed to this myth of The Unworthy Negro™.
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Bitch, I was literally just about to write this. But yas tell him.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Try me
People should not be treated differently based on their race, etc.
If there are more qualified candidates, they should choose those ones, not hire so-called "token" minorities. It is offensive.
South Park has a character based on this
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It doesn't work that way. As long as the United States puts a heavy emphasis on race and white privilege then AA has to stay. Did you know that a black male has a lower chance of getting a job than a white male convicted criminal? That's an issue many face for a lifetime that they can't have control over. Using AA gives people a chance at a good education, and allows for diversity in many schools that would otherwise just be white. I mean AA has benefited women the most, and every year their pay is getting more equal to men, they now have much more chances than they did 50 years ago.
And youre acting as if these people put in half the effort to get into these colleges. Not true, they work just as hard. At the end of it all it's your grades, essay and extra curriculers that matter. Your race or sex is an added bonus that gets recognized.
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