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Religion Vs. Gay Issues (Closed)
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Religion Vs. Gay Issues (Closed)
Okay, so we all know I came out and such (at least I think anyways :-\ ) But this topic is always on my mind when it comes to being gay. I'm a Christian and according to the bible, gay people are destined to go to hell and such. But I frankily don't believe in it because if you haven't saw, eating seafood is also considered a sin. There are many different views of this based on what religion you were brought up on. It's a very confusing topic. I did some research and found some stuff.
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This is an interesting question. But it's simpler than the posts would entail.
One's sexuality is inborn. Individuals have different DEGREES of how intense it is.
Highly sexually sensitive to asexuality.
Same sex attraction is obviously not dictated in terms of what side of the brain is involved, genetic mutation or the size of a brain part.
Not conclusively anyway.
But we can say that it's not taught in books, to be sexually attracted to one's same gender.
However, religious instruction usually starts at the initiation of a child's formal education, sometimes before.
It was the ONLY instruction and still is in many cultures.
At about the same time a youngster naturally begins to have physical and emotional changes with the onslaught of puberty, that's also the time they naturally become more self determined and begin to form their own opinions and experiment with other points of view (other religions, atheism or informal spirituality).
The self knowlege of attraction isn't confused until the intervention of counter information (usually negative and prompted by earlier religious conditioning).
Religious belief and teaching is insinuated (and still is) in how people respond to GAY people and homosexuality.
If left without this primary instruction, I doubt anyone would think negatively of it, and especially wouldn't try to change it.
Because homosexuality doesn't RESULT in what religious teaching says it does.
Nor do the results insisted on by ex gays occur in most cases, nor is there a cause insisted on by the same.
Sexual activity, tempered by common sense and ethics.
How someone is TREATED for their sexuality isn't a part of what a person's sexuality IS.
And how a person TREATS another person with their sexual orientation, isn't an issue of morality or ethics, but companionate identities.
Obviously the conditioning and influence of religion is strong and often damaging to gay people, and often women in particular.
The fact that religious texts have been written exclusively BY males and presumably hetero ones, is reason enough to question the validity of their expertise on those who are not those things.
But yet are most impacted by it.
A better question would be, why are those who wrote and control most religions are so resistant to others determining their own identity, and understanding when that identity is simply that and really doesn't affect anyone else's well being or trust in whoever they are sexually active with?
Mores the point, I'm more concerned with civil laws and religious influence on them, rather than religious influence on sexuality-which when it comes down to THAT.
There is more investment in restricting the privacy and sexual activity of women and gay people, rather than those of the same identity as who wrote the religious rules in the first place.
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What if… we are born not really inclined to any religious beliefs. What if… we are born with certain personality traits and temperament… and… according to the way we are raised … we develop our beliefs?
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Here’s a question. Please comment. Let me know what you think about this. What if…..we are born not really sexually attracted to any certain gender in particular. What if…..we are born with certain personality traits and temperament… and… according to the way we are raised (or, “yanked up” as I’ve humorously heard it put), we develop our sexuality. There’s such a myriad of sexual preferences out there. Really. That would explain genetics and biology playing a factor and dispell the issue of there actually being a “choice”, wouldn’t it? Maybe not. I’m just, again, thinking out loud (in type) here.
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What if both of those "what ifs" are wrong. Or, more specifically, what if:
Some people (but maybe not all) are just born gay.
Some people are born with a stong inclination based genetically/hormonally/predetermined towards finding fulfillment in faith. And even if they are raised in a household that is agnostic and doubtful of anything that cannot be readily observed, they will still find themselves drawn to spirituality, be it church or the occult or even strident atheism.
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I've actually thought a bit about the idea that (crazy as it may seem) ministry may be something that is passed from generation to generation in the genes. Perhaps some genetic soup that pushes a bit for ability to speak publically along with an inclination for religous zeal and perhaps even the looks and voice that encourage trust. It seems a bit wacky, but who knows. In tracing my ancestry, I found that on my father's line that there were far more ministers than could be expected. But it may just be coincidence. Or environment.
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Any comments? I'll post mine later of course, but this is an interesting topic. This is the reason why I'm scared to death of being who I think I really am. I am attracted to males, sadly but true, but this issue keeps popping up and I don't know what I should do.
Should I be something I'm not just becuase of what the "Bible" says. Or should I just go with my heart and my own beliefs? According to one of these scripts, the religion beliefs were written by males who weren't gay. I'm pretty sure if it was written by a gay guy it would be a different view.
Okay Okay, I'll post what I think. The god I believe in doesn't judge people just based on their sexuality. If this is truely what God does when we all die, he might has well judge people based on their race then right? I think this issue is being brought up because of the whole gay marriage debate. And frankily, I don't believe it all this rubish the bible says about gay people. I say live a good live, be yourself, and don't hurt/kill others while doing other bad deeds and you should be fine. For all we know there might not even be a heaven or hell. I grew up watching Xena obviously and according to that show, based on your religion you go to specific places. Like if your Greek for instance you go to Eligion (sp?) fields and Tarturus. And if your Amazons, you go to the Land of the Dead (or something such has that). Obviously if your Christian you go to Heaven or Hell. But no one knows for sure what lies after death. No ones ever gone to heaven and came back. And if being gay is innert, why would God create you (with a good soul) and just send you to hell just because your "gay."
I've talked to some people about this issue, and I seem to agree with them. But frankily I don't know what I should do. I can't let a bible rule my life. Why should it be chained to you. If you love God, and you live a good life, what is there to worry about? Can't we have freedom? Why should a bible written based on beliefs by STRAIGHT men, rule our lifes. Isn't it our life? Why does a simple bible have to rule our every moves. Obviously if you kill or you hurt people for pleasure, that is a one ticket to hell (or whatever your religion says) but going to hell because you loved someone on the same sex? Let alone you can't control it. I can't stop looking at guys, no matter how hard I try. I'd rather be 100% straight, but it's part of me. Is this a disease? I'd like some answers. I think in the end I will just go with my heart. If I fall in love with a man (oh my!) so be it. If god truely sends people to hell just based on their sexuality, that is very low of him.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention this also. I think there are two reasons why being gay is considered bad.
1st: You can't reproduce.
Male on Male / Female on Female can't create children. But....if you haven't read lately, we are getting over-populated. We reached 300 billion just last week or so. If we keep going at this rate, not only are we going to run out of food and resources, we are going to run out of room.
2nd: AIDS is the number one disease in Gay Men.
So yeah, this is so true. Since gay men can't get pregnant, some of them are blind and say hey I want to have sex with a million guys, what is the harm? I can't get someone pregnant. (or so I think). I could be wrong. But maybe God is afraid that Aids is going to take over the population in young people. Then the human population could go extinct or I say.
But....Don't we have other issues at fault? Global Warming anyone?? We cause this by our technology? At the rate we are going, this world isn't going to last anyway. We are getting stronger and more deaths in storms now a days because of this. Our ice glacials are melting away. Sadly but true, I don't see the world getting any better the way we are heading, so why are we even worried about the population of humans then?
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You know, I'm catholic, but I don't believe that gay people are going to hell, to me everyone is going to be judge based on everything they did while still alive, and for me it doesn't matter if someone is gay or not, this is just an alternative way of love, it's not the one that I choose for me tho.
These people who control religions have things so much more important to care about, people's sexuality shoudn't be an issue like this, they say that the world needs love, the homossexuals do love, so what's the problem with them? Aren't they human too? Love is something you can't control, I think everyone knows that, so why blame people for who they love??
Well, I think that's what I had to say, but I could spend more time writting what I think about this, I'll come and check this thread latter.
Congrats fot the thread Kevin!!!
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Nice thread. Anyways, i in partucular dont really judge by the religion or sexuality of people. I'm a Baptist Christinan and I have a friend who's Athiest, but that doesn't make me look down on that perosn. I know a gay girl but I dont judge her either. I think the opinion and beliefs vary in a person's beliefs.
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religion is WAYYYY to involved in some issues
aka politics
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I don't have a Religion cause I think that all of them sucks, it's all about money. The Catholic Church killed a lot of people in the Middle Age because of stupid reasons. I can't believe that we're in the 21th Century and almost every religions are against gays... The Catholic Church is still against condoms and abortion...
What a person do when he/she is alone with another person doesn't build his/her moral attitude.
Is gay marriage permited in your countries? I'm sure it's not.. Here I think it will take between 15 and 25 years...
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Yeah...
I don't buy into any religion. It's lame.
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Originally posted by BlowURMind!
1st: You can't reproduce.
Male on Male / Female on Female can't create children. But....if you haven't read lately, we are getting over-populated. We reached 300 billion just last week or so. If we keep going at this rate, not only are we going to run out of food and resources, we are going to run out of room.
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i think thats too much of an exageration. i think its more like 6 billion??
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Originally posted by mario
i think thats too much of an exageration. i think its more like 6 billion??
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I think he meant 300 million...as in the U.S. population.
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Originally posted by BlowURMind!
We reached 300 billion just last week or so. If we keep going at this rate, not only are we going to run out of food and resources, we are going to run out of room.
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LMFAO!!
The total population of the World, projected to 10/24/06 at 04:53 GMT (EDT+4) is
6,552,379,414
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Stay on topic. So I made an error in the population of the world, so be it? I just need your opinion on this. Thank you 
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Seeing as this is a "gay" board. I'll keep my opinion as clean and as drama free as possible. 
I am non-denominational Christian. I don't accept homosexuality but I would neva discriminate against it. I have a few **** friends but thats only b/c I grew up with them and they came out in like high school. To me it would be wrong to just turn my back on a friendship just b/c they are gay. I can be very social with gays but that doesn't mean I accept your lifestyle, to me I have to do whats right for me and what my bible tells me. I don't talk about eatin pu$$y and fcukin girls so when I talk to a homosexual, I don't wanna hear about you suckin d!ck and gettin it up the a$$. If I don't ask you about then damn sure don't tell me about it. To me its all about respect. If you respect my space and who I am, I can respect your space and who you are. 
I apologize ahead of time, if I have offended anybody. But I thought I'd share my honest opinion on the topic at hand.
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I think I will just either hide in a hole and be single for the rest of my life or find a girl.
No, better yet 
I'll live a lie my whole life, just to make God happy. I'll get married to a girl, be unhappy because I know in my heart I'd rather be with someone else, but in the end, God will be happy. Is this what he really wants?? Does he want you to be unhappy just so you don't be gay?
This made me laugh (From the Video Game of the Year thread link)
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i never said that the homosexual's themselves were abominations... i said homosexualitly itself is an abomination to urself to God, and to Nature, there are still no Homosexual animals... i wonder why .... hmmm
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Oh and it gets better. Same Sex Relationships in ANIMALS
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm
Oh hell no!!
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Two guys having sex with each other hurts NO ONE."
really? what about all the diseases spread through homosexaulity. Considering they rub feces on their bodies, it should be obvious. Then there is the mess of gay domestic abuse. In boston, the states gay men's domestic abuse project (look it up) estimates that most gay reliationships are abusive. Who pays for fixing that? biological diseases and social diseases tax the state and ordinary people pay for that.
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I Highly Recommend reading these comments. Very interesting.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/22/bo...sing-in-bully/
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We are just creatures, and we decide what we want, if you believe in god then that's something he gave us. We're not hurting anyone and this world is full of people so we are doing you all a favor not having tons of children LOL j/k
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that's why i hate every single religion, they say it's wrong, but this isn't definately something that you can choose.
i'm gay and i'm happy the way i am, and no one can tell me what to do or how to be. and no one can say that being happy is something wrong.
that's why i just don't give a **** for religion.
i believe in god and for me that's enough.
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This should be taught in like High School and College. It's very interesting. I want to learn more about this.
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Just do what feels right. Only your god can judge you. If your doing something that you honestly feel is right, then you can sort it out in the afterlife. If you're wrong, that's the chance that you have to take, but there isn't a human on this earth who can indisputably tell you what the higher powers see as right or wrong so how are you even going to know? If other people have a problem with your life, then it's their issue, not yours. As long as you truely feel that you were born this way and you aren't hurting anyone else in acting on your feelings, then there's nothing wrong with it.
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I'm soooo sick of this topic.
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The basis of living your life to the full without hurting other people is how i choose to live. Screw all these other 'rules' that the bible teaches you, they're meaningless. I don't see how someone can base their whole life on some old book, it's stupid. However, if it comforts people and makes them stronger, then good on them, but it's not for me.
(btw this is all IMO so don't go getting all angry over it)
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The only thing I have against gay people is the ones that freak the **** out of me. If someone's gay and they don't freak me out, then cool. I dunno why being gay is considered a sin. I do believe that a little, but I think it can be forgiven and you can still go to heaven. Then again, I am a little bit agnostic because my friend is very religious and he pretty much killed most of my religious views.
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