Out of complete curiosity.

- I've noticed (most recently in Ryan's comments towards "Twisted Transistor" in his year-end thread) that their is a HUGE criticism towards this latest movement and foundation of whatever the hell you want to call it.

Indie. Emo. Scene. BLAH. Whatever. All the words and terms get thrown around way too much. And I don't remember when Indie and emo were ever the same thing? But whatever that's besides the point.

Oh, and before I say something, this isn't to argue against people who have made comments about it or me saying that you're opinion is wrong, it's just a comment.

But since when does music have to be about long term durability?
I read a review for a 80's inspired electro-pop album on Dotmusic, oh yeah, it was Rachel Stevens? And they said it just how it should be; why can't music be enjoyed for the current moment?

I mean. I'm well aware that the likes of My Chemical Romance, The Bravery, Panic! At The Disco, etc, are not going to be kicking around in glory 2 years down the road. But for right now, why does it hurt your "musical credibility" to like them? Right now, they're producing a movement that is interesting, has a subculture, and all the bells and whistles associated.

And again. I don't want to stir up an argument.
I just wanted to hear where you stand - long term musical credibility? What's wrong with just liking someone/something for the moment in which the music is culturally relevant?

How do you think 80's New Wave & "Flower Power" music excelled in their time. Sure they didn't have a Myspace & Purevolume generation to back them up, but this whole scene is just another in the line of musical phenomenons will be reading about in popular culture textbooks 5-10 years down the road. What is so wrong with being a part of something so culturally significant?

Comments?

Well, dude I agree I guess. Enjoy what you listen to. Looking at your list of favorite artists I love probably about 75 percent of the same artists as you. Which reminds me that you never sent me that Motion City Soundtrack CD . Anyway, if someone hears an artist and thinks "I can't listen unless I think they will be here 10 years later" then I think there is a problem. Live in the now, people and live well. Take Panic for example. The album is incredible and fun! I hope 10 years from now that if they are no longer together that I still turn that CD up and dance around like crazy to it. Whether the artist is going to be around forever is not an issue for me because I just care if they music is good. Bascially, screw your "musical credibility" and love your music without being ashamed.

I do hate the scene because of the holier than thou attitude. I go to shows and love a lot of "scene" music but I can't stand some of those stupid kids.

You can like whatever the **** kind of music you want to. If it's around for three days or three thousand years, you can still like a band. And while no one admits it, everyone definitely jumps on the bandwagon at some point in their musical liking. Look at Mariah Carey. In 2000 - 2001, everyone was against her, and once she had a successful new album all those fans came back, even the "lifetime" fans who deserted her. It's just funny how all those who complain that we like the "it band of the day" are the ones who listen to the "so yesterday washed up nobody bands of the 90s."

You know what the music scene has become
people will like a band, support the band and then the second its cool and popular, its wrong to like them and they critizize people who still listen to it. when in reality their support helped them get to popularity

if you read absolutepunk and other boards people were praising panic at the disco 3 months ago and even through the summer, now trl next week and its not cool to like and you can read all the hatred now. its lame

You completely took the words right out of my mouth.

I wasn't talking about bands like Panic! or The Bravery, though, when I was spilling my guts about Twisted Transistor. I was refering to artists like Sufjan Stevens and Animal Collective and New Photographers that get an almost unfair amount of respect and love from the critics and people. They're like the new Strokes. Seriously, a lot of people hate System and Korn now, but it's suddenly okay to worship some artists in return that will likely have no long-term impact on society and music in general? I mean, at least System and Korn's place in music history is secure.

Yes, I do understand that people like what they like, but don't people take it too far sometimes?

Hell, I have before too. I speak from experience.

Yeah I don't want it to get twisted what I mean.
I'm not ranting about being able to like what you like and pose this "don't judge" attitude.

Just commenting on why their is an emphasis on the need for musicians to be long term durable players in the business, in order for their music to hold merit.

All valid comments so far though.

OMG I hate people who stop liking a band soon as it gets popular. I have a lot of friends who liked Fall Out Boy before anyone knew who they were, and now that they're popular they refuse to listen to them. I think it is so retarded and people should just listen to the music they want to regardless of how popular it is or what genre it fits into.

you know why they get it? cause they make ACTUAL ORIGINAL MUSIC that you don't hear anyone else doing(kough kough). none of them are like "the new Strokes" cause they have had more than one album, and won't ever get mainstream acclaim(except New ****ographers might sometime). if you have listened to these artists' new albums you would understand why people go nuts, and say they are amazing. once you do, get back to me, cause I am certain you will.

First off, in all seriousness, thank you for the correction. That was my fault, I make mistakes. I'm only human.

I've listened to New ****ographers, and I really don't like them. Just not my style of music. I've listened to, NOT ALL, but some of Animal Collective's music, not a big fan of them either. Actually, out of all the artists I mentioned, the artist i've heard the least of is Sufjan Stevens, and i'll take your word for it and check him out some more. But what i've heard, again, i'm not a big fan of. Yes, i'll agree that they make original music, sure, but you could say a number of artists make original music, it doesn't automatically make those artists' music good.

My Strokes argument is EASILY justified, though. Lets just remember how big of a critical smash "Is This It" was for The Strokes. I'm comparing that album to Sufjan Stevens, New ****ographers and Animal Collective, not anything else they've done, because so many critics are wetting themselves, trying to find the new *It* band for the sake of finding a new *It* band when they've only heard a single album from these artists. It's not that easy. Some artists have long-term potential and some have short-term potential. I can't say whether any of those three artists have either or, but their next albums will be the litmus test, personally. Coldplay and The White Stripes justified their *It* band status with great albums after the ones that made them big critical darlings(Parachutes and White Blood Cells, respectively), these artists haven't released another album yet...though, when they do, i'll be happy to listen to those albums from New ****ographers, Sufjan Stevens and Animal Collective to see for myself.

Didn't Sufjan Stevens just release something? I've been meaning to listen to it. Is it good?

This trend-***** thing is not new and it doesn't only apply to music. Most human beings in general have always been afraid to against the grain.

Its that instinctual mob mentality that kicks in. And mislabeling things out of hate and fear isn't new either.

We're irrational animals, get over it.

The scene kids just need to shut the f‘ck up and quit dissing what isn't hot at the moment, because before they know it, their favorite bands are going to go down the drain. I would respect the whole movement or whatever, but it's the fans and the band members themselves that really piss me off rather than the predictable, crappy songs. If you have such a God damn passion for music, don't go off and start talking **** about bands that are already being put down by millions (I'm talking to you, Ville Valo.)

I don't really have different labels for groups like Panic! At The Disco, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Korn etc....I just have one wait make that 2 words...

F-UCKING. GAY.

You are such a tryhard.

Yeah, because Rachel Stevens is SO heterosexual.

Mugshot, I think you actually bring up a pretty good point.
I don't think it's the fact that people are irrational that they fear what's new or "trend *****d", but this is when you start getting into scene kids and ****.

It's not really what I was talking about. But meh.

I think this is probably the worst 'movement' that ever happened to music because most of this trash doesn't even sell and its for mostly wannabe emos.

Thank god no one is paying attention to it though

http://www.drivehq.com/web/JerryVonWerder/Yeah I don't want it to get twisted what I mean.
I'm not ranting about being able to like what you like and pose this "don't judge" attitude.

Just commenting on why their is an emphasis on the need for musicians to be long term durable players in the business, in order for their music to hold merit.

All valid comments so far though.

I hate emo as much as the next guy, but why do you always bring up album sales? Like that even matters, but Fall out Boy are on their way to double platinum, and My Chemical Romance are passed 1 million. Once again, that type of **** is irrelevant to the actual music, but you're sounding like the typical idiot as always by assuming that they're doing poorly in sales, which they're not, so I just had to point that out.

People obviously like emo right now, more than any other type of rock, but it's going to die out just like the music that those little scene f‘ggots and guitar-swirling, wrist-cutting, mascara-applying bastards always diss on because it isn't "hip" anymore (I'm talking to you, Ville Valo. Don't be jealous because Korn is bigger and better than H.I.M., maybe if you would quit being an egotistical cocksucking bitch riding the coattails of those Jackass-affiliated brats, your band would actually get somewhere.)

Sorry about that last rant.
Everything ends, and emo is no exception. I give it 2 more years tops, then it's done.