Nope, they are not ******. They are great

I love them, and this song is awesome. I dont even bother voting for them on TRL because Im sure they're not even a little bit close to the countdown, oh well. And I think they are very good live. If you think Hawthorne Heights sounds bad live I can only imagine what you think of Fallout Boy and My chemical romance (I love MCR but damn they sound horrible live lol)