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Celeb News: American Idol, The Voice, X-Factor, are they dying?
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American Idol, The Voice, X-Factor, are they dying?
Here is an interesting read from Lefsetz about the downfall of these shows. Approval or not?
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Judgemania
It’s over.
That’s what the entertainment business does best, pile on. Rather than innovate, it imitates. If one western works, they do ten. Ditto with boy bands and singing shows.
What’s interesting is “The Voice” and “X Factor” piled on a dying platform. Yup, it’s not about ratings, but the underlying construct. In other words, it doesn’t matter how many albums you sell, but whether people listen to the music. A hit band with a lousy record is already on the oldies circuit, it just doesn’t know it yet.
And speaking of knowing it, don’t Keith Urban and Nicki Minaj? Aren’t they both smart enough to avoid climbing on to a sinking ship? Top-heavy with stars, but sans any competing talent?
Yup, what we’ve learned is you can scour America, promise instant exposure, and there’s still very little talent. Certainly obvious talent. Let this be a lesson to you wannabes. It’s not that you haven’t gotten your chance, it’s that you’re just not good enough. As for those who will break through, they’ll be radically different, just like cop shows supplanted westerns and eventually we got nighttime soaps and police procedurals. The spoils go to he who comes up with the next big thing, not the person who does a great imitation of what once was. So you’ve got the range of Mariah Carey and can melisma with the best of them… Even Mariah, the progenitor, has trouble denting the chart these days!
Yes, if you want to make it, think different. Hell, remember when Apple was a pooh-poohed also-ran? Told to liquidate by Michael Dell? Who’s laughing now?
People have seen the movie. There’s nothing left behind the curtain. Which is why “X Factor” ratings were so terrible. Isn’t it funny that when it all comes down at the end the big winner from “Idol” will be Ryan Seacrest and not Simon Cowell?
Ryan realized it was not about him. That he could be replaced. So he diversified. It’s not his radio gig that keeps him current, but his TV production duties. You may think it’s trash, but “Keeping Up With The Kardashians” is a ratings juggernaut and couldn’t be more different from “Idol” whereas “X Factor” is essentially a clone, requiring you to split the differences between the Backstreet Boys and ‘N Sync to separate it from the original.
Now that “X Factor” is fading, not only in the U.S., but the U.K., what does Simon Cowell do? He’s a one trick pony. And that pony ain’t so hot. It’s not like he’s Richard Russell, bringing to market Adele and the cavalcade of innovators at XL, Simon’s about lowest common denominator crap, and that’s harder to sell than ever. And what can he be other than a judge, a panelist on late night TV? He’s barely different from Robin Leach, now relegated to doing commercials after once giving us a peek into the lifestyles of the rich and famous.
You wanted the “Idol” paradigm to die? It did, it quit making stars, it was a flawed concept. But it was always better TV than music, peppered with drama and antagonism. But we learned by putting J. Lo and Tyler on “Idol” that musicians make lousy judges and if you won’t go negative, you’ve got lousy TV.
As for “The Voice”… It’s a gimmick. A train-wreck that was successful before they closed the door on the concept.
I just don’t get all the musician/celebrities joining up.
Britney? We all want to see if she melts down. Once. Not for an entire TV season. As for Demi Lovato… Asking us to care is like being interested in Miley Cyrus’s acting career… Huh?
You get in early and you get out quick. That’s the key to success in the entertainment business.
But these “stars” never got that memo. They’re dumb. Which is why music is a second class citizen, peopled by idiots who think exposure trumps credibility, that money is more important than music.
You’re a musician. Sing!
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http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/
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At every label,” says Scott Rodger, manager for Paul McCartney and Arcade Fire, “from the mail room to the A&R department to the chairman’s office, I guarantee they all read him.”
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They spilled the tea. I'm over them. They destroy the experience of the rise of a new artist and the whole pop phenomenon, they give the lamest advice, a lot of it is staged, I can't stand all the sob stories BEFORE the actual audition, etc.
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they definitely won't last another 5 years imo. i'm way over them
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Taylor Swift also dedicated Mr. Lefsetz a song "mean"
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In a later interview with 60 Minutes, Swift revealed that the critic was someone who attacked her performance with Stevie Nicks at the 52nd Grammy Awards, where she sang off-key.[5] This critic is reputed to be Bob Lefsetz who gave a critical review on his blog, The Lefsetz Letter
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thought this was about shows like Judge Judy tbh
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Originally posted by funnychick
They spilled the tea. I'm over them. They destroy the experience of the rise of a new artist and the whole pop phenomenon, they give the lamest advice, a lot of it is staged, I can't stand all the sob stories BEFORE the actual audition, etc.
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this.
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Originally posted by Katamari
thought this was about shows like Judge Judy tbh
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Better?
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yes it keeps falling down...
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Bumping up the thread 
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They've been overdone and I think people are tired of them. They're not really entertaining and the American versions rarely if ever produce stars so they're ultimately pointless. I won't be sad to see them go.
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Originally posted by Celestial
They've been overdone and I think people are tired of them. They're not really entertaining and the American versions rarely if ever produce stars so they're ultimately pointless. I won't be sad to see them go.
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the genre has been milked to death. Needs a rest. Not least because the talent pool has been exhausted.
and none of them are creating big chart stars like they were. At least XF has made some genuine global stars. The voice hasn't made one that I know of. From any country.
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Yes, no one cares about them anymore, people are tired and I'm only watching XF for my fave.
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Hopefully. Just because it worked once (or twice if you count US only too) doesn't mean it's an overall good concept. It ruined the music industry in Germany, because producers only write cheap songs giving them to the winners who will have one hit and don't care about music anymore.
Kelly and Carrie were huge successes, but every talent show is just trying too hard to find someone as successful as them and it won't work. It's like planning to win the lottery, and that even has a higher chance of working out than becoming famous through a talent show.
Besides, Kelly's and Carrie's success was more due to them than to Idol. It just gave them exposure, just like every other promo performance. If you don't work hard, and only stick to the formula of the producers and managers, you will fail, because they plan on short lived success and not on a long career. They just want to use you. You have to be smart enough to not let yourself being used and fight for your own music and your own personality. Otherwise you'll just be a puppet that's forgotten one year afterwards.
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people are no longer interested in tvs anyway so..
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I agree, I'm gonna watch American Idol just because Mariah Carey is in it.
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