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Discussion: Are Anne Sinclair and Hilary Clinton fools?
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Are Anne Sinclair and Hilary Clinton fools?
Frankly, I want to discuss Anne Sinclair, but since I am sure most people on this forum don't know her, I feel the need to include Hilary too. Anne is the equivalent of Hilary for the US citizen. Only that her husband Dominique Strauss-Kahn has been accused of intention of rape, forcing his employee to sleep with him and lately of raping a woman. All of that is true and Anne doesn't even deny that fact and still supports her husband piblicly and you can see how much she still loves him.
Putting all of that in the context is even worse, since she was a star before meeting him, she was the journalist of a politic televised show called 7/7 with the biggest audience for that kind of show in France and interviewed every important politician (that's how she met her husband). She then left her former husband for him, they got married. She is rich so she is the who gives money for his political campaigns. And when he was elected Minister, she quit her job to be a good wife.
So tell me, why can't I shake this awful feeling? Why a beautiful and intellectual woman will stay with such a man?
PS: she had 2 kids from her first marriage and him 4 with his ex-wife. So they have 6 children together, all grown-ups.
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Yes.
Flop thread btw 
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by =NEX=
Flop thread btw 
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It is okay, I don't make my threads for them to be a hit. Otherwise I'll post all the negative articles about popstars I find on internet or open countless of Britney Vs Beyoncé's threads. 
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I wouldn't call them fools. It is there choice on if they feel they could salvage their marriage or not. The similarities are definitely there, but one big difference between each affair is that in one, both were willing participants, whereas the other incident had only one consenting partner in the affair. I know an affair is an affair, no matter how you try to twist it, but you can't overlook rape though.
Hillary had to find it in herself to forgive and work on her marriage with Bill after the Monica scandal. She was berated by feminists, conservatives, and such for deciding to stand by her husband and work on their marriage instead of divorcing him. I don't see anything wrong with working on something that was broken.
Anne's case, her husband has been accused of rape which is pretty huge! Maybe she believes in his innocence, IDK really. I do keep up with international news, but I won't pretend to act like I know all that there is to know of her situation and the accusations against her husband.
As humans, we are guilty of sinning and having our own faults. Our lord and savior Jesus Christ didn't suffer on the cross for nothing (sorry if my faith and passage isn't agreeable with your religious views - speaking to anyone reading this). Some have bigger sins than others, but it's up to one to find it in their heart to forgive and fix things. Marriage is almost like a job, where both parties have to work at keeping themselves afloat and spicy. I support marriage counseling in these cases to help delve into seeing where the union went sour enough for one to commit adultery. Would I ever forgive my husband for cheating and attempt to work at things? I really don't know! Until I am in that position, I guess I really can't say.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by Foxaylove
I wouldn't call them fools. It is there choice on if they feel they could salvage their marriage or not. The similarities are definitely there, but one big difference between each affair is that cheating party in one incident, both were willing participants, whereas the other incident had one consenting partner in the affair. I know an affair is an affair, no matter how you try to twist it, but you can't overlook rape though.
Hillary had to find it in herself to forgive and work on her marriage with Bill after the Monica scandal. She was berated by feminists, conservatives, and such for deciding to stand by her husband and work on their marriage instead of divorcing him. I don't see anything wrong with working on something that was broken.
Anne's case, her husband has been accused of rape which is pretty huge! Maybe she believes in his innocence, IDK really. I do keep up with international news, but I won't pretend to act like I know all that there is to know of her situation and the accusations against her husband.
As humans, we are guilty of sinning and having our own faults. Our lord and savior Jesus Christ didn't suffer on the cross for nothing (sorry if my faith and passage isn't agreeable with your religious views or not). Some have bigger sins than others, but it's up to one to find it in their heart to forgive and fix things. Marriage is almost like a job, where both parties have to work at keeping themselves afloat and spicy. I support marriage counseling in these cases to help delve into seeing where the union went sour enough for one to commit adultery.
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I know that both cases are different that's why I put "only that". I'm not that fluent in English, I used it to make the distinction between the two. And I only used Hilary in this case for the people who don't know Anne.
For the rest of your comment, I agree with the way you see things, but isn't wrong when it seems that only one of the partners is working hard to keep the marriage together. I know most marriage's foundation is the woman but that situation is not an isolated case. When he cheats on you once, it is okay and understandable but that much? She says that she married a "seducteur" and that is what comes with it. But I interpret it as a weakness.
And no, your beliefs don't offend since I share the same view on the subject, but only Jesus and God can forgive again and again. That is blatant disrespect. She made him, she is always here for him and he could be trying harder. I feel like he doesn't.
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Originally posted by BnPac
I know that both cases are different that's why I put "only that". I'm not that fluent in English, I used it to make the distinction between the two. And I only used Hilary in this case for the people who don't know Anne.
For the rest of your comment, I agree with the way you see things, but isn't wrong when it seems that only one of the partners is working hard to keep the marriage together. I know most marriage's foundation is the woman but that situation is not an isolated case. When he cheats on you once, it is okay and understandable but that much? She says that she married a "seducteur" and that is what comes with it. But I interpret it as a weakness.
And no, your beliefs don't offend since I share the same view on the subject, but only Jesus and God can forgive again and again. That is blatant disrespect. She made him, she is always here for him and he could be trying harder. I feel like he doesn't.
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Girl please! Your English is FAB!
You did right by drawing comparisons of her to HIllary Clinton. By doing so, you provided an example for some not familiar with Anne to understand her status and predicament at the moment. The Bill/Monica affair made big headlines across the globe with people pressing for him to be impeached as Commander and Chief.
Wait, she called him a "seducteur?"  That's too much! She opened herself up for a can of worms by doing so. It's one thing to stand by your husband to work things out, but continuing to enable him while he shows no signs of changing is another problem. That's when the relationship is definitely not healthy and a separation is needed.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by Foxaylove
Wait, she called him a "seducteur?"  That's too much! She opened herself up for a can of worms by doing so. It's one thing to stand by your husband to work things out, but continuing to enable him while he shows no signs of changing is another problem. That's when the relationship is definitely not healthy and a separation is needed.
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She didn't really use the word, but she implied it. Also when the last sacndal of him sleeping with his coworker blew up (it was huge), she said 'yeah, so what? they were working together. We are still as in love as ever".
Funny thing is, some french media want us to see her as a strong woman who should be praised to be so supportive of her husband. And that is what I don't get.
He is such a perv and he knows that his wife will still be there. This is the 3rd huge sexual scandal he faces, she always acts like everything is cool.
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Originally posted by BnPac
She didn't really use the word, but she implied it. Also when the last sacndal of him sleeping with his coworker blew up (it was huge), she said 'yeah, so what? they were working together. We are still as in love as ever".
Funny thing is, some french media want us to see her as a strong woman who should be praised to be so supportive of her husband. And that is what I don't get.
He is such a perv and he knows that his wife will still be there. This the 3rd huge sexual scandal he faces, she always acts like everything is cool.
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That definitely shows a vast difference in American media from the french. Our media crucifies any big wig name in politics that are attached to such scandals. Look no further than Bill Clinton, NY Rep. Anthony Weiner, and John Edwards.
When Hillary stood by Bill, she was slammed. When Mr. Weiner's pregnant wife decided to stand by her husband, tons of people criticized her for it. Before Elizabeth Edwards passed away from her battle with cancer, she was slammed as well for standing by her husband after the affairs were surfaced. Some of the US media backed off a little once her health start to get worse and once she died.
Conservative views here are heavily influenced by religion. It's the driving force behind peoples' stance on abortion, gay marriage, etc.. Most of the time, only when the woman leaves her husband is when she's heralded as a "strong and brave woman." Ex. Maria Striver leaving Arnold.
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Some people do have open relationships where they know their partner isn't monogamous but because of any number of reasons, that doesn't ruin their relationship. Clearly there are differences in the two cases, what Bill did wasn't illegal, while this other guy who is accused of rape obviously broke the law.
Perhaps these women feel like their chance of success is directly tied to their relationship or they really are in love, and as we know, love makes us do some really stupid things.
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It's a blessing to be trusted , when your credibility is gone, he's a very lucky guy, but there will be a breaking point, if he really wants his marriage to work out, he should just stop being in the public eye
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Having been a child of parents that stayed together after one cheated, I definitely don't think they're fools at all.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by Foxaylove
That definitely shows a vast difference in American media from the french. Our media crucifies any big wig name in politics that are attached to such scandals. Look no further than Bill Clinton, NY Rep. Anthony Weiner, and John Edwards.
When Hillary stood by Bill, she was slammed. When Mr. Weiner's pregnant wife decided to stand by her husband, tons of people criticized her for it. Before Elizabeth Edwards passed away from her battle with cancer, she was slammed as well for standing by her husband after the affairs were surfaced. Some of the US media backed off a little once her health start to get worse and once she died.
Conservative views here are heavily influenced by religion. It's the driving force behind peoples' stance on abortion, gay marriage, etc.. Most of the time, only when the woman leaves her husband is when she's heralded as a "strong and brave woman." Ex. Maria Striver leaving Arnold.
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Yeah he was crucified at the beginning, but now people say: "oh well he is a politician, if he can be for any help to France, the rest doesn't matter". But yes, the woman was not criticized at least not a lot and not by the media.
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Originally posted by GRADUAT10N
Some people do have open relationships where they know their partner isn't monogamous but because of any number of reasons, that doesn't ruin their relationship. Clearly there are differences in the two cases, what Bill did wasn't illegal, while this other guy who is accused of rape obviously broke the law.
Perhaps these women feel like their chance of success is directly tied to their relationship or they really are in love, and as we know, love makes us do some really stupid things.
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My case is totally different. My parents stayed together after an affair, when faith was obviously gone. And that is the worse decision they could have made. It was awful for them and for us.
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Originally posted by Georges
It's a blessing to be trusted , when your credibility is gone, he's a very lucky guy, but there will be a breaking point, if he really wants his marriage to work out, he should just stop being in the public eye
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His only goal is to be a high profile politician so he won't avoid the public eye. Plus his wife wants him to be that too, she does everything possible to upgrade him.
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