What does the dominance of Adele and Beyoncé say about the industry?


EHRLICH: I want to take issue with the *question. I've been around long enough -- I helped kick-start that term "diva" in the early '90s, those VH1 shows. From that point on, we've had the Celines, Glorias, Faith Hills, Shanias, Mariahs, Whitneys. If we look back at our show year to year, there are probably a number of years where there were more female artists than males.

GERSON: I see it a little differently. The *difference this year, compared to others, is that Beyoncé and Adele are both women controlling their careers. In years past, the women who have been nominated *probably were A&R'd by men who told them what songs to sing, and men who wrote the songs for them and then asked them to go into the studio and kill it vocally. These two iconic superstars control their own destinies. They're not "divas." No offense; I think that was [the term] of the time. It's strange to me that VH1 still does it, because I don't know if that's how I would describe any woman. I wouldn't describe Beyoncé as a "diva." She is fierce, as is Adele.


KEITH: They're both bosses.

GERSON: Yes, bosses. That's how I see it.

KING: People want real. And there are a lot of women out there doing that.


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Is this the reason why 90's divas don't have that much Grammys compared to some of this generation's female singers?

Ironically this coment was made by a woman: Jody Gerson (Universal Music Publishing Group chairman/CEO)

Let's compare the grammy wins of 00's/10's divas with the 90's divas mentioned in this article:

Beyoncé: 20 Grammys
Adele: 10 Grammys
Taylor Swift: 10 Grammys

Compared to:

Whitney - 6
Mariah - 5
Celine - 5
Shania - 5
Faith Hill - 5
Gloria Estefan - 2

True...Ty Madonna for inspiring women to take control of their careers. Bey, Adele, and Taylor are killing it in that department, as they are in others.

I kinda agree tbh...

Adele and Bey are in control of their own destinies unlike the divas of the past.

What a poignant perspective. Never thought of it like that before.

Bey already told us this:

True moreso for Whitney n Shania, less so for Mariah.

But Mariah wrote and produced majority of her work. Unlike Beyoncé.

Legends

lol what kind of bs

i highly doubt that these fierce women have THAT much control, it's more connected to todays mentality imo

This

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Adele has COMPLETE control of her career. She literally does what she wants and when she want to. She in control in every aspect of her career and plus she has good ass manager. Beyonce is her own boss. Beyonce has more control then her own label. Her literally let and tell her to do whatever she wants. So does TSWIF. These woman are far the biggest act on their label and they use that to do whatever ever they want plus Adele always have been a rebel.

She LITERALLY has a song about being a "diva"

But her "lack of control" is her choice, she just doesn't give the effort and lets others do it for her, it's not because she's a puppet.

So this means that Celine and Whitney were less deserving of their awards? Child please.

I don't see this as an across the board, black and white thing even though I get what they mean when talking about Bey and Adele's positions in their own careers.

It's not just about producing and writing. It about their whole career and every aspect of it. Mariah wrote her songs and produce some song, but every other thing was control and done by other men. There was a point in Mariah life she couldn't even leave her own house without permission from her husband (who was in control of her career and life).

She didn't produce "some songs", she produced nearly every song in her discography. And how is Mariah's personal life relevant to the Grammys, which are supposed to award her work???

Anyway, I don't how what happens behind the scenes is relevant to the grammys, because they're supposed to award musical brilliance not who is controlling their career the best. Makes absolutely no sense, especially since most of these women from the 90's have better music than Beyonce or Adele.