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News: BBC: Why Hillary lost
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READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE YOU COMMENT.
This is not an anti-Hillary thread, but it does help explain why she lost and what caused the swell of support for Trump.
I'll post some bits here, but you should go here and read the entire article as it has helped me come to terms with and understand why this happened. It's not all about how awful Trump is, but it is about how Hillary failed to appeal to any undecided or new voters.
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Constantly, Hillary Clinton claimed that she was the most qualified candidate. Constantly, she recited her curriculum vitae - her experience as first lady, a US senator for New York, a secretary of state.
But in this mad-as-hell election, where there was so much rage and discontent, Donald Trump's supporters saw experience and qualifications as huge negatives. So many people I spoke to during this campaign - especially in the old steel towns of the Rust Belt - wanted a businessman in the White House rather than a career politician. Their hatred of Washington was palpable.
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Hillary Clinton has long had a trust problem, which is why the email scandal loomed so large. She had an authenticity problem. She was seen as the high priestess of an east coast elite that looked down, sneeringly, on working people.
The vast riches that the Clintons accumulated since leaving the White House did not help. The former first couple were seen not just as limousine liberals but Lear Jet liberals. Again, their wealth exacerbated her problems with working class voters, even though they happily voted for a property tycoon.
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Hillary Clinton is not a natural campaigner. Her speeches are often flat and somewhat robotic. Her sound-bites sound like sound-bites - prefabricated and, to some ears, insincere. The re-emergence of the email scandal was a huge distraction, and meant that she ended her campaign on a negative message.
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Her campaign also made tactical errors. It focused resources and time on states she didn't need to win, such as North Carolina and Ohio, rather than spending time shoring up the famed blue wall, those 18 states that have voted Democrat for the past six elections.
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Yeah thatīs pretty much the reason why she lost.
She not as Charismatic as Obama.
She is not a beacon of the new millennials as Sanders.
But if she became Authentic, I think the election could went another way.
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America elected a misogynistic reality star.
It's honestly not her fault.
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Originally posted by WeFoundWill
America elected a misogynistic reality star.
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I agree, but that's the lazy way to view it, and unless you address why and how America elected Trump, they will only elect someone even worse once they realize he is incapable of doing what he claims to do.
Simply put - people voted for Trump because they believed he would put more money in their pocket, and they cared more about that then equality, diversity, acceptance or love.
Pure and simple - money.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Here come the excuses.
While there are some good points, people ended up voting for Trump of all candidates. TRUMP, the man you could write dozens of articles about. Where is the list of HIS "mistakes"?
That's all there is to it. Stop blaming Hillary exclusively, although yes she did make many mistakes.
Trump did more though. The Democratic base didn't show up too so it's their ****ing fault. 7 million less votes. Seriously!?
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Originally posted by Lebanese Dude
Here come the excuses.
While there are some good points, people ended up voting for Trump of all candidates. TRUMP, the man you could write dozens of articles about. Where is the list of HIS "mistakes"?
That's all there is to it. Stop blaming Hillary exclusively, although yes she did make many mistakes.
Trump did more though. The Democratic base didn't show up too so it's their ****ing fault. 7 million less votes. Seriously!?
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I knew this would happen with this thread.  But I tried.
Of course I am pro-Hillary, but there's this unrealistic disconnect between us and them. For whatever reason, Trump connected with tens of millions of disillusioned voters, and Hillary did less so. So the Democratic party needs to look at what went wrong, and they need to understand HOW to win over the vote of the disillusioned majority who feel the political system offers nothing for them.
Hillary never once tried to win over the Trump supporters, and as deplorable as they are, she should really have focused on understanding what it was about Trump that made them support him. I don't believe it was his racist / sexist / homophobic comments that won him over, it was his ability to convey to these legions of followers that he was going to improve their lives personally. For whatever reason, Hillary didn't manage to convey that message as effectively, though god knows she tried.
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True but it didn't help either that well I don't know there's a lot of RACISTS out there
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Originally posted by Reinvention
Hillary never once tried to win over the Trump supporters, and as deplorable as they are, she should really have focused on understanding what it was about Trump that made them support him. I don't believe it was his racist / sexist / homophobic comments that won him over, it was his ability to convey to these legions of followers that he was going to improve their lives personally. For whatever reason, Hillary didn't manage to convey that message as effectively, though god knows she tried.
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I strongly disagree with you here. It wasn't the deplorables who propelled him to victory, but the overwhelming amount of independents, many of whom cast their vote for Trump in protest. There's no point in trying to convert Trump's supporters.
The Democratic Party can sway the undecided voters by proposing a big change, starting with the DNC and their campaign philosophy.
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I'm sure there are more reasons 
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That's who she is. Rehearsed, presidential, and educated who can play the system. Unfortunately, not what the people wanted by vote. 
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Originally posted by Reinvention
Hillary never once tried to win over the Trump supporters, and as deplorable as they are, she should really have focused on understanding what it was about Trump that made them support him. I don't believe it was his racist / sexist / homophobic comments that won him over, it was his ability to convey to these legions of followers that he was going to improve their lives personally. For whatever reason, Hillary didn't manage to convey that message as effectively, though god knows she tried.
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Elections are about turnout, not convincing the other side to join yours. Trump used racist and xenophobic rhetoric to impassion voters and get them to the polls. Liberals for some reason saw little motivation to get out and vote for Hillary.
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Originally posted by Reinvention
I knew this would happen with this thread. But I tried.
Of course I am pro-Hillary, but there's this unrealistic disconnect between us and them. For whatever reason, Trump connected with tens of millions of disillusioned voters, and Hillary did less so. So the Democratic party needs to look at what went wrong, and they need to understand HOW to win over the vote of the disillusioned majority who feel the political system offers nothing for them.
Hillary never once tried to win over the Trump supporters, and as deplorable as they are, she should really have focused on understanding what it was about Trump that made them support him. I don't believe it was his racist / sexist / homophobic comments that won him over, it was his ability to convey to these legions of followers that he was going to improve their lives personally. For whatever reason, Hillary didn't manage to convey that message as effectively, though god knows she tried. |
Oh sorry my post implied that I was referring to you. I was talking about the media making excuses for why Hillary lost when it's very much partly their fault.
Yeah the Democrats refused to be won over, although I agree with your second paragraph.
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Originally posted by Reinvention
I knew this would happen with this thread. But I tried.
Of course I am pro-Hillary, but there's this unrealistic disconnect between us and them. For whatever reason, Trump connected with tens of millions of disillusioned voters, and Hillary did less so. So the Democratic party needs to look at what went wrong, and they need to understand HOW to win over the vote of the disillusioned majority who feel the political system offers nothing for them.
Hillary never once tried to win over the Trump supporters, and as deplorable as they are, she should really have focused on understanding what it was about Trump that made them support him. I don't believe it was his racist / sexist / homophobic comments that won him over, it was his ability to convey to these legions of followers that he was going to improve their lives personally. For whatever reason, Hillary didn't manage to convey that message as effectively, though god knows she tried. |
Itīs because she did not even bother begging the far-left and independents for support aka Bernie Sanders supporters. She thought that the whole DNC was in her disposal but she miscalculated. She just campaigned with the center-left part of the DNC rather than as a whole. That was her downfall.
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Originally posted by Raster
I strongly disagree with you here. It wasn't the deplorables who propelled him to victory, but the overwhelming amount of independents, many of whom cast their vote for Trump in protest. There's no point in trying to convert Trump's supporters.
The Democratic Party can sway the undecided voters by proposing a big change, starting with the DNC and their campaign philosophy.
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Agreed. There was no swaying any significant number of Trump supporters in Hillary's direction. The best strategy was probably to get the vote out for Hillary among minorities and such. Too bad it didn't work out.
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